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This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my lengthy
document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually want to keep in
the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40 numbered pages in a
single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages with each preceded by a
section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are just
1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted. Page
numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in section 4--where
the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in the preceding sections,
which are obviously being counted if not displayed. When I checked Page
Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that it was set fo Different First Page,
whereas section 4 was not. I changed this setting and now section 4 does
not show any page number. But obviously, the page numbering is still there,
just not displayed for the first page of the section. If the sections were
longer than a single page I would be stuck.


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You're confusing several issues.

1. The 'Different first page' and 'Different odd and even' options on page
setup have nothing to do with page numbering. They control whether you have
different headers and footers on the first/odd/even pages. These settings
can be different for each section of the document.

2. By default, each section of a document uses the same headers and footers
as the previous section; but it need not. The 'Same as previous' button the
Headers and Footers toolbar controls this.

3. You can restart the page numbering for any section by going to Insert
Page Numbers Format and setting the 'Start at' value.

4. Pages are always counted (as you observe). The page number is *displayed*
by inserting a { PAGE } field. If you click OK on the Insert Page numbers
dialog, Word automatically inserts a { PAGE } field in the footer: but you
can do this manually also, and put the page number anywhere.

If you need to skip pages in your numbering, you can do arithmetic with the
page value, as for any other kind of calculation field, eg

{ = { PAGE } * 2 - 1 }

You can also use a { SECTIONPAGES } field to get the number of pages in the
current section.








"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my
lengthy document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually want
to keep in the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40 numbered
pages in a single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages with each
preceded by a section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are
just 1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted. Page
numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in section
4--where the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in the preceding
sections, which are obviously being counted if not displayed. When I
checked Page Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that it was set fo
Different First Page, whereas section 4 was not. I changed this setting
and now section 4 does not show any page number. But obviously, the page
numbering is still there, just not displayed for the first page of the
section. If the sections were longer than a single page I would be stuck.



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Thanks. I tried inserting the field SectionPages and ended up with
{SECTIONPAGES \ Arabic \*MERGEFORMAT }. Now the first page of each of the
added section starts with 1. Is there a way to get rid of this, at least
for the first page? I have checked different from first page wut it seems
to have no effect.

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
You're confusing several issues.

1. The 'Different first page' and 'Different odd and even' options on
p }age setup have nothing to do with page numbering. They control whether
you have different headers and footers on the first/odd/even pages. These
settings can be different for each section of the document.

2. By default, each section of a document uses the same headers and
footers as the previous section; but it need not. The 'Same as previous'
button the Headers and Footers toolbar controls this.

3. You can restart the page numbering for any section by going to Insert
Page Numbers Format and setting the 'Start at' value.

4. Pages are always counted (as you observe). The page number is
*displayed* by inserting a { PAGE } field. If you click OK on the Insert
Page numbers dialog, Word automatically inserts a { PAGE } field in the
footer: but you can do this manually also, and put the page number
anywhere.

If you need to skip pages in your numbering, you can do arithmetic with
the page value, as for any other kind of calculation field, eg

{ = { PAGE } * 2 - 1 }

You can also use a { SECTIONPAGES } field to get the number of pages in
the current section.








"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my
lengthy document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually want
to keep in the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40 numbered
pages in a single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages with each
preceded by a section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are
just 1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted. Page
numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in section
4--where the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in the
preceding sections, which are obviously being counted if not displayed.
When I checked Page Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that it was set fo
Different First Page, whereas section 4 was not. I changed this setting
and now section 4 does not show any page number. But obviously, the page
numbering is still there, just not displayed for the first page of the
section. If the sections were longer than a single page I would be
stuck.





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{ SectionPages } is a field. If you don't want to see it, don't insert the
field. If you need the value for arithmetic elsewhere, format it as hidden.
Help will explain the \Arabic and \*MERGEFORMAT switches. You will save
yourself an amount of anguish if you read up on what fields are and why to
use them (given that you are using them already).

Also, read again the note on what 'different first page' does.


"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I tried inserting the field SectionPages and ended up with
{SECTIONPAGES \ Arabic \*MERGEFORMAT }. Now the first page of each of the
added section starts with 1. Is there a way to get rid of this, at least
for the first page? I have checked different from first page wut it seems
to have no effect.

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
You're confusing several issues.

1. The 'Different first page' and 'Different odd and even' options on
p }age setup have nothing to do with page numbering. They control whether
you have different headers and footers on the first/odd/even pages. These
settings can be different for each section of the document.

2. By default, each section of a document uses the same headers and
footers as the previous section; but it need not. The 'Same as previous'
button the Headers and Footers toolbar controls this.

3. You can restart the page numbering for any section by going to Insert
Page Numbers Format and setting the 'Start at' value.


4. Pages are always counted (as you observe). The page number is
*displayed* by inserting a { PAGE } field. If you click OK on the Insert
Page numbers dialog, Word automatically inserts a { PAGE } field in the

footer: but you can do this manually also, and put the page number
anywhere.

If you need to skip pages in your numbering, you can do arithmetic with
the page value, as for any other kind of calculation field, eg

{ = { PAGE } * 2 - 1 }

You can also use a { SECTIONPAGES } field to get the number of pages in
the current section.








"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my
lengthy document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually
want to keep in the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40
numbered pages in a single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages
with each preceded by a section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are
just 1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted.
Page numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in section
4--where the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in the
preceding sections, which are obviously being counted if not displayed.
When I checked Page Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that it was set
fo Different First Page, whereas section 4 was not. I changed this
setting and now section 4 does not show any page number. But obviously,
the page numbering is still there, just not displayed for the first page
of the section. If the sections were longer than a single page I would
be stuck.







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Thanks. I have read a bunch of things on fields, page numbering, etc., and
apparently I am too dense to figure this out. My document is working well
enough (even if for the wrong reasons) and I ought to leave well enough
alone. As long as my sections 2, 3 and 4 are only 1 page long no page
numbers show up in those sections, which was my goal. It seems to make no
difference whether each section's footer is linked to the previous footer or
not. Seems the key is Different First page. As long as that is checked for
each section no page numbers show up. But if any of those sections is
larger than 1 page the page number appears starting on page 2 of that
section. So as long as I keep that in mind I am OK. If ever I need any of
those sections to be longer than a single page I will jump off that bridge
when I come to it. (My memory may be foggy after all these years since
WordPerfect was effectively wiped out by Windows but I think I distantly
recall the ability to suppress the page numbering where desired. Oh well.)

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
{ SectionPages } is a field. If you don't want to see it, don't insert the
field. If you need the value for arithmetic elsewhere, format it as hidden.
Help will explain the \Arabic and \*MERGEFORMAT switches. You will save
yourself an amount of anguish if you read up on what fields are and why to
use them (given that you are using them already).

Also, read again the note on what 'different first page' does.


"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I tried inserting the field SectionPages and ended up with
{SECTIONPAGES \ Arabic \*MERGEFORMAT }. Now the first page of each of
the added section starts with 1. Is there a way to get rid of this, at
least for the first page? I have checked different from first page wut
it seems to have no effect.

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
You're confusing several issues.

1. The 'Different first page' and 'Different odd and even' options on
p }age setup have nothing to do with page numbering. They control
whether you have different headers and footers on the first/odd/even
pages. These settings can be different for each section of the document.

2. By default, each section of a document uses the same headers and
footers as the previous section; but it need not. The 'Same as previous'
button the Headers and Footers toolbar controls this.

3. You can restart the page numbering for any section by going to Insert
Page Numbers Format and setting the 'Start at' value.

4. Pages are always counted (as you observe). The page number is
*displayed* by inserting a { PAGE } field. If you click OK on the Insert
Page numbers dialog, Word automatically inserts a { PAGE } field in
the footer: but you can do this manually also, and put the page number
anywhere.

If you need to skip pages in your numbering, you can do arithmetic with
the page value, as for any other kind of calculation field, eg

{ = { PAGE } * 2 - 1 }

You can also use a { SECTIONPAGES } field to get the number of pages in
the current section.








"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my
lengthy document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually
want to keep in the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40
numbered pages in a single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages
with each preceded by a section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are
just 1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted.
Page numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in section
4--where the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in the
preceding sections, which are obviously being counted if not displayed.
When I checked Page Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that it was set
fo Different First Page, whereas section 4 was not. I changed this
setting and now section 4 does not show any page number. But
obviously, the page numbering is still there, just not displayed for
the first page of the section. If the sections were longer than a
single page I would be stuck.











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It's just a simple mental block. Persevere, cos is ain't hard, even for
WordPerfect users.

Each section of a document can have one, two, or three footers: one for all
pages; one for the first page and one for all subsequent; or different
odd/even. Headers likewise.

By default, the same headers and footers are used throughout the document.
So if you make a change to a footer in section 1, that change appears in all
sections of the document.

You can 'break the chain' by going to any section, activating the header or
footer, and clearing the 'same as previous' button: that means that changes
to that header or footer do not affect the preceding sections. The changes
DO affect subsequent sections up to the next break in the chain, if any.
Note that you have to do this separately for each type of header and footer
(ie for the first/odd/even footers, depending on what you've selected).

In your case, you have two footers: one for the first page of each section,
and one for the subsequent pages. In sections 2 and 3 you don't see the
subsequent page footer because those sections are only one page each. Your
first page footer (it seems) is empty; your subsequent page footer includes
a { PAGE } field. By the sounds of it, you need a different footer for
sections 2 and 3 (if they run to more than one page), which does not display
the page number: so go to the footer for section 2 and clear 'same as
previous' then go to the footer of section 4 and do likewise, then go back
to section 2 and remove the page number from the footer.







"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I have read a bunch of things on fields, page numbering, etc.,
and apparently I am too dense to figure this out. My document is working
well enough (even if for the wrong reasons) and I ought to leave well
enough alone. As long as my sections 2, 3 and 4 are only 1 page long no
page numbers show up in those sections, which was my goal. It seems to
make no difference whether each section's footer is linked to the previous
footer or not. Seems the key is Different First page. As long as that is
checked for each section no page numbers show up. But if any of those
sections is larger than 1 page the page number appears starting on page 2
of that section. So as long as I keep that in mind I am OK. If ever I
need any of those sections to be longer than a single page I will jump off
that bridge when I come to it. (My memory may be foggy after all these
years since WordPerfect was effectively wiped out by Windows but I think I
distantly recall the ability to suppress the page numbering where desired.
Oh well.)

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
{ SectionPages } is a field. If you don't want to see it, don't insert the
field. If you need the value for arithmetic elsewhere, format it as
hidden. Help will explain the \Arabic and \*MERGEFORMAT switches. You will
save yourself an amount of anguish if you read up on what fields are and
why to use them (given that you are using them already).

Also, read again the note on what 'different first page' does.


"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I tried inserting the field SectionPages and ended up with
{SECTIONPAGES \ Arabic \*MERGEFORMAT }. Now the first page of each of
the added section starts with 1. Is there a way to get rid of this, at
least for the first page? I have checked different from first page wut
it seems to have no effect.

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
You're confusing several issues.

1. The 'Different first page' and 'Different odd and even' options on
p }age setup have nothing to do with page numbering. They control
whether you have different headers and footers on the first/odd/even
pages. These settings can be different for each section of the
document.

2. By default, each section of a document uses the same headers and
footers as the previous section; but it need not. The 'Same as
previous' button the Headers and Footers toolbar controls this.

3. You can restart the page numbering for any section by going to
Insert Page Numbers Format and setting the 'Start at' value.

4. Pages are always counted (as you observe). The page number is
*displayed* by inserting a { PAGE } field. If you click OK on the
Insert Page numbers dialog, Word automatically inserts a { PAGE }
field in the footer: but you can do this manually also, and put the
page number anywhere.

If you need to skip pages in your numbering, you can do arithmetic with
the page value, as for any other kind of calculation field, eg

{ = { PAGE } * 2 - 1 }

You can also use a { SECTIONPAGES } field to get the number of pages in
the current section.








"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my
lengthy document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually
want to keep in the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40
numbered pages in a single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages
with each preceded by a section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4 are
just 1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted.
Page numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in
section 4--where the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in
the preceding sections, which are obviously being counted if not
displayed. When I checked Page Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that
it was set fo Different First Page, whereas section 4 was not. I
changed this setting and now section 4 does not show any page number.
But obviously, the page numbering is still there, just not displayed
for the first page of the section. If the sections were longer than a
single page I would be stuck.











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In addition to what Jezebel has written, you might want to look at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm. Print it out and keep
reading it until it sinks in!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I have read a bunch of things on fields, page numbering, etc.,

and
apparently I am too dense to figure this out. My document is working well
enough (even if for the wrong reasons) and I ought to leave well enough
alone. As long as my sections 2, 3 and 4 are only 1 page long no page
numbers show up in those sections, which was my goal. It seems to make no
difference whether each section's footer is linked to the previous footer

or
not. Seems the key is Different First page. As long as that is checked

for
each section no page numbers show up. But if any of those sections is
larger than 1 page the page number appears starting on page 2 of that
section. So as long as I keep that in mind I am OK. If ever I need any

of
those sections to be longer than a single page I will jump off that bridge
when I come to it. (My memory may be foggy after all these years since
WordPerfect was effectively wiped out by Windows but I think I distantly
recall the ability to suppress the page numbering where desired. Oh

well.)

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
{ SectionPages } is a field. If you don't want to see it, don't insert

the
field. If you need the value for arithmetic elsewhere, format it as

hidden.
Help will explain the \Arabic and \*MERGEFORMAT switches. You will save
yourself an amount of anguish if you read up on what fields are and why

to
use them (given that you are using them already).

Also, read again the note on what 'different first page' does.


"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I tried inserting the field SectionPages and ended up with
{SECTIONPAGES \ Arabic \*MERGEFORMAT }. Now the first page of each of
the added section starts with 1. Is there a way to get rid of this, at
least for the first page? I have checked different from first page wut
it seems to have no effect.

"Jezebel" wrote in message
...
You're confusing several issues.

1. The 'Different first page' and 'Different odd and even' options on
p }age setup have nothing to do with page numbering. They control
whether you have different headers and footers on the first/odd/even
pages. These settings can be different for each section of the

document.

2. By default, each section of a document uses the same headers and
footers as the previous section; but it need not. The 'Same as

previous'
button the Headers and Footers toolbar controls this.

3. You can restart the page numbering for any section by going to

Insert
Page Numbers Format and setting the 'Start at' value.

4. Pages are always counted (as you observe). The page number is
*displayed* by inserting a { PAGE } field. If you click OK on the

Insert
Page numbers dialog, Word automatically inserts a { PAGE } field in
the footer: but you can do this manually also, and put the page number
anywhere.

If you need to skip pages in your numbering, you can do arithmetic

with
the page value, as for any other kind of calculation field, eg

{ = { PAGE } * 2 - 1 }

You can also use a { SECTIONPAGES } field to get the number of pages

in
the current section.








"Joe McGuire" wrote in message
...
This is embarassing. How do I end page numbering in a section of my
lengthy document without also wiping out the page numbers I actually
want to keep in the first section? The object is to have 20-30-40
numbered pages in a single section followed by 3 or 4 separate pages
with each preceded by a section break.

The gory details: I actually have 4 sections. Sections 2, 3 and 4

are
just 1 page each and are actually preexisting documents I inserted.
Page numbering seems to end in sections 2 and 3, but resumes in

section
4--where the page numbering reflects the unnumbered pages in the
preceding sections, which are obviously being counted if not

displayed.
When I checked Page Setup for sections 2 and 3 I found that it was

set
fo Different First Page, whereas section 4 was not. I changed this
setting and now section 4 does not show any page number. But
obviously, the page numbering is still there, just not displayed for
the first page of the section. If the sections were longer than a
single page I would be stuck.










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