[Paul Gauci]

When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.


--
Paul Gauci

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers

[Terry Farrell[_2_]]

Paul

You have many supporters. The developers have come under a huge amount of
criticism over the Ribbon. Hopefully they will listen and understand the
need to be able to edit/modify the Ribbon out-of-the-box. Also the need to
be able to edit or import more Icons for the QAT.

--
Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP

"Paul Gauci" wrote in message
...
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every
new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I
could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing
capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.


--
Paul Gauci

----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm....word.newusers

[Daiya Mitchell]

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.

[Klaus Linke[_2_]]

Me too. The original post still shows "1 out of 1 people found this post
useful".
I wonder whether this suggestion stuff works at all? Or how long it takes to
update?

Klaus


"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.

[Paul Gauci]

Yes - I have similar doubts. On the other hand, what did (or do) the
developers stand to gain by disappointing their clients. This is not a
question of choosing efficient time-saving features.

`--
Paul Gauci


"Klaus Linke" wrote:

Me too. The original post still shows "1 out of 1 people found this post
useful".
I wonder whether this suggestion stuff works at all? Or how long it takes to
update?

Klaus


"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.

[Jay Freedman]

As often seems to happen, since this thread started, I just stumbled
upon a page by one of the Excel MVPs, Ron De Bruin, describing a way
of using custom buttons: http://www.rondebruin.nl/imageqat.htm. See if
it helps you.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:02:03 -0800, Paul Gauci
wrote:

Yes - I have similar doubts. On the other hand, what did (or do) the
developers stand to gain by disappointing their clients. This is not a
question of choosing efficient time-saving features.

`--
Paul Gauci


"Klaus Linke" wrote:

Me too. The original post still shows "1 out of 1 people found this post
useful".
I wonder whether this suggestion stuff works at all? Or how long it takes to
update?

Klaus


"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.





--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit.

[Terry Farrell[_2_]]

Jay

Brilliant! I must experiment with this. But not quite as simple as previous
versions though. g

Terry Farrell

"Jay Freedman" wrote in message
...
As often seems to happen, since this thread started, I just stumbled
upon a page by one of the Excel MVPs, Ron De Bruin, describing a way
of using custom buttons: http://www.rondebruin.nl/imageqat.htm. See if
it helps you.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:02:03 -0800, Paul Gauci
wrote:

Yes - I have similar doubts. On the other hand, what did (or do) the
developers stand to gain by disappointing their clients. This is not a
question of choosing efficient time-saving features.

`--
Paul Gauci


"Klaus Linke" wrote:

Me too. The original post still shows "1 out of 1 people found this post
useful".
I wonder whether this suggestion stuff works at all? Or how long it
takes to
update?

Klaus


"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for
every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons
which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing
capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which
can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing
capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive
and
something should be done about this asap.





--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so all may benefit.

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Terry,

Be sure to note the OBTW (oh, by the way) items (Notes and Warning g) in that article and in the linked one to other related
content.

Unfortunately, as noted during testing and in the 'Warning' on that page, when you add one of the names of the internal images to
the QAT file, as soon as you modify the QAT again (add or delete an item) the .QAT (XML) file is rewritten with the standard command
for each item on the QAT at that time (i.e. you'll lose the custom applied, but only one of those internally stored in the Office
app, graphic).

If you use the method for storing QAT customization segment *within* a document/template, rather than as part of the standalone .QAT
file itself those customization of images survive the changes to the standalone .QAT.

Still voting for return either as an add-on, standalone, or integrated the Icon editor/paste capability from previous versions in
the next version g.

===========
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message ...
Jay

Brilliant! I must experiment with this. But not quite as simple as previous
versions though. g

Terry Farrell
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

[Ron de Bruin]

Hi all

Still voting for return either as an add-on, standalone, or integrated the Icon editor/paste capability from previous versions in
the next version g.

I agree with Bob

If you have comments about the page please let me know.
It is new for all of us so we can learn from each other

Ron

--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ...
Hi Terry,

Be sure to note the OBTW (oh, by the way) items (Notes and Warning g) in that article and in the linked one to other related
content.

Unfortunately, as noted during testing and in the 'Warning' on that page, when you add one of the names of the internal images to
the QAT file, as soon as you modify the QAT again (add or delete an item) the .QAT (XML) file is rewritten with the standard
command
for each item on the QAT at that time (i.e. you'll lose the custom applied, but only one of those internally stored in the Office
app, graphic).

If you use the method for storing QAT customization segment *within* a document/template, rather than as part of the standalone
.QAT
file itself those customization of images survive the changes to the standalone .QAT.

Still voting for return either as an add-on, standalone, or integrated the Icon editor/paste capability from previous versions in
the next version g.

===========
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message ...
Jay

Brilliant! I must experiment with this. But not quite as simple as previous
versions though. g

Terry Farrell
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

[Paul Gauci]

I have looked into
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...mizeRibbon.htm and bought the
Ribbon Customiser Add-in, as the author of the page suggests that this add-in
has been tested more than a toolbar add-in which is also featured in the
page.

Unfortunately, I still have not managed to master the Ribbon Customiser -
probably because I do not have the time to study it properly, and I must
admit that I am finding it much easier to go back to Word 2003.

I would therefore be intersted in reading opinions regarding the Toolbar
Add-in and a few tips about the Ribbon Customiser.


Paul



--
Paul Gauci


"Ron de Bruin" wrote:

Hi all

Still voting for return either as an add-on, standalone, or integrated the Icon editor/paste capability from previous versions in
the next version g.

I agree with Bob

If you have comments about the page please let me know.
It is new for all of us so we can learn from each other

Ron

--

Regards Ron de Bruin
http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm


"Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ...
Hi Terry,

Be sure to note the OBTW (oh, by the way) items (Notes and Warning g) in that article and in the linked one to other related
content.

Unfortunately, as noted during testing and in the 'Warning' on that page, when you add one of the names of the internal images to
the QAT file, as soon as you modify the QAT again (add or delete an item) the .QAT (XML) file is rewritten with the standard
command
for each item on the QAT at that time (i.e. you'll lose the custom applied, but only one of those internally stored in the Office
app, graphic).

If you use the method for storing QAT customization segment *within* a document/template, rather than as part of the standalone
.QAT
file itself those customization of images survive the changes to the standalone .QAT.

Still voting for return either as an add-on, standalone, or integrated the Icon editor/paste capability from previous versions in
the next version g.

===========
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message ...
Jay

Brilliant! I must experiment with this. But not quite as simple as previous
versions though. g

Terry Farrell
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

[Domer]

Me too. Please please please give us our function back!

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.

[Terry Farrell]

Microsoft does not read these posts, so your point is wasted here. Word 2007
has now been around for 4 years and the merits of the ribbon and QAT have
been discussed thousands and thousands of times. MS are well aware of the
shortcomings of the Ribbon but they are far too pig-headed to admit any
error on their part.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Domer" wrote in message
...
Me too. Please please please give us our function back!

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for every
new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which I
could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing
capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can
be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing
capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.

[Graham Mayor]

It can in any case be done - see
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/Ribbon_Custom_Icons.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
Microsoft does not read these posts, so your point is wasted here. Word
2007 has now been around for 4 years and the merits of the ribbon and QAT
have been discussed thousands and thousands of times. MS are well aware of
the shortcomings of the Ribbon but they are far too pig-headed to admit
any error on their part.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Domer" wrote in message
...
Me too. Please please please give us our function back!

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote:

I actually took the trouble to login and vote on this one.

Paul Gauci wrote:
When I used MS Office XP and 2003 I used to design a template for
every new
job that I initiated. I operated my templates through the icons which
I could
create or edit in the ToolsCustomise command. The icon-editing
capability
is, as most users know, also very useful in macros.

In 2007, I discovered that in Word Options certain commands which can
be
added to the quick access toolbar are exactly the same. This is very
confusing and time-wasting. I tried to look for the icon-editing
capability
but did not find it.

I honestly think that the system introduced in 2007 is regressive and
something should be done about this asap.