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Margins & Headers
Ok, here goes again. I have a one-page document that has
a header. If the page extends into a 2nd or 3rd page, I do not want a header on subsequent pages. The 1st page top margin needs to be set at 2.25, while subsequent pages (if they appear) need a top margin of 1.25. It seems I can solve these two problems, but not at the same time. I can elect for a different first page header by going to Page Setup--Layout--Different First Page Header. That does not solve the problem of a different top margin. That I tried to solve by putting in a section break immediately after the header on the first page. That will work to a degree in that I can then make the 2nd and subsequent pages have a different top margin. However, placement of the section break means that when a user opens the document and begins to type, the insertion point comes BEFORE the hidden section break, thereby moving the section break down the page as typing commences, and therefore formatting the 2nd page same as the first. I have been told many numerous remedies, mostly to either insert a paragraph on the first page for the extra space, or to use a text box. Neither case is sufficient for what my users need. They need for the insertion point to be at the EXACT location that they need to begin typing without changing any of the formatting. Surely as powerful an application as Word is, there must be a way to handle something this simple. This document is actually a letterhead that I have created with my logo, etc within the Header of the first page. If I do not place the logo in the Header and place it in the document as an object instead, the insertion point comes before the object, making everything move down. My users are not computer literate and would not know how to change a header, or how to move their insertion point. The biggest test comes from a user who is several steps above me on the chain of command, so I must satisfy his desires on this letterhead at all costs..lol....He creates his document as a plain document, then cuts and pastes it onto the letterhead. I know this is crazy and useless, but try to tell him that. Anyway, with the logo as an object, the cut and paste moves the object down the page and the text he pastes sort of goes into the middle of the object. Other users simply open the template and begin typing but again, the insertion point moves the section break. Help!!! Pulling my hair out over this one! Please feel free to email me if you can offer any further suggestions! |
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Use a Textbox in your first page header to mimic having different margins.
See Letterhead Textboxes and Styles tutorial http://addbalance.com/word/download....StylesTutorial You may also want to take a look at: How to set up letterhead or some other document where you want one header on the first page and a different header on other pages. http://www.addbalance.com/word/headersfooters.htm This gives step-by-step instructions. (It also has the following links) Some other pages to look at: Letterhead Tips and Instructions http://home.earthlink.net/~wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm Template Basics http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm How to Create a Template - Part 2 - essential reading http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm Word "Forms" http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordw...rces.htm#Forms and Word for Word Perfect Users http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm if you are coming from a WP environment (or even if you are not). If you are interested in creating templates that will work with the letter wizard or use that wizard, you should look at the chapter on Advanced Document Formatting in Using Office 2003 (or whatever your version is), Special Edition, by Ed Bott and Woody Leonhard. It has detailed instructions including instructions on getting the fields you want from your Outlook Contacts for addressing a letter. (Chapter 19 of SE Using Office 2003) You should be able to get this through your public library or at Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...ncecheckbookA/ Finally, take a look at the letter templates that come with Word. While they are no great shakes as letterhead, they do use styles and AutoText lists very well. If you use the same style names that are used in those templates in your own letterhead for the same parts of the document, you will have better luck with using the built-in AutoText entries in Word. Hope this helps, -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Sherry" wrote in message ... Ok, here goes again. I have a one-page document that has a header. If the page extends into a 2nd or 3rd page, I do not want a header on subsequent pages. The 1st page top margin needs to be set at 2.25, while subsequent pages (if they appear) need a top margin of 1.25. It seems I can solve these two problems, but not at the same time. I can elect for a different first page header by going to Page Setup--Layout--Different First Page Header. That does not solve the problem of a different top margin. That I tried to solve by putting in a section break immediately after the header on the first page. That will work to a degree in that I can then make the 2nd and subsequent pages have a different top margin. However, placement of the section break means that when a user opens the document and begins to type, the insertion point comes BEFORE the hidden section break, thereby moving the section break down the page as typing commences, and therefore formatting the 2nd page same as the first. I have been told many numerous remedies, mostly to either insert a paragraph on the first page for the extra space, or to use a text box. Neither case is sufficient for what my users need. They need for the insertion point to be at the EXACT location that they need to begin typing without changing any of the formatting. Surely as powerful an application as Word is, there must be a way to handle something this simple. This document is actually a letterhead that I have created with my logo, etc within the Header of the first page. If I do not place the logo in the Header and place it in the document as an object instead, the insertion point comes before the object, making everything move down. My users are not computer literate and would not know how to change a header, or how to move their insertion point. The biggest test comes from a user who is several steps above me on the chain of command, so I must satisfy his desires on this letterhead at all costs..lol....He creates his document as a plain document, then cuts and pastes it onto the letterhead. I know this is crazy and useless, but try to tell him that. Anyway, with the logo as an object, the cut and paste moves the object down the page and the text he pastes sort of goes into the middle of the object. Other users simply open the template and begin typing but again, the insertion point moves the section break. Help!!! Pulling my hair out over this one! Please feel free to email me if you can offer any further suggestions! |
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"Different first page" *does* solve the problem because you can make the
header large enough to push your margin down. See http://home.earthlink.net/~wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Sherry" wrote in message ... Ok, here goes again. I have a one-page document that has a header. If the page extends into a 2nd or 3rd page, I do not want a header on subsequent pages. The 1st page top margin needs to be set at 2.25, while subsequent pages (if they appear) need a top margin of 1.25. It seems I can solve these two problems, but not at the same time. I can elect for a different first page header by going to Page Setup--Layout--Different First Page Header. That does not solve the problem of a different top margin. That I tried to solve by putting in a section break immediately after the header on the first page. That will work to a degree in that I can then make the 2nd and subsequent pages have a different top margin. However, placement of the section break means that when a user opens the document and begins to type, the insertion point comes BEFORE the hidden section break, thereby moving the section break down the page as typing commences, and therefore formatting the 2nd page same as the first. I have been told many numerous remedies, mostly to either insert a paragraph on the first page for the extra space, or to use a text box. Neither case is sufficient for what my users need. They need for the insertion point to be at the EXACT location that they need to begin typing without changing any of the formatting. Surely as powerful an application as Word is, there must be a way to handle something this simple. This document is actually a letterhead that I have created with my logo, etc within the Header of the first page. If I do not place the logo in the Header and place it in the document as an object instead, the insertion point comes before the object, making everything move down. My users are not computer literate and would not know how to change a header, or how to move their insertion point. The biggest test comes from a user who is several steps above me on the chain of command, so I must satisfy his desires on this letterhead at all costs..lol....He creates his document as a plain document, then cuts and pastes it onto the letterhead. I know this is crazy and useless, but try to tell him that. Anyway, with the logo as an object, the cut and paste moves the object down the page and the text he pastes sort of goes into the middle of the object. Other users simply open the template and begin typing but again, the insertion point moves the section break. Help!!! Pulling my hair out over this one! Please feel free to email me if you can offer any further suggestions! |
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A text box is really not necessary and just adds to document complexity.
Space Before/After is all that is required (whether you have a letterhead in the header or just an empty paragraph). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Use a Textbox in your first page header to mimic having different margins. See Letterhead Textboxes and Styles tutorial http://addbalance.com/word/download....StylesTutorial You may also want to take a look at: How to set up letterhead or some other document where you want one header on the first page and a different header on other pages. http://www.addbalance.com/word/headersfooters.htm This gives step-by-step instructions. (It also has the following links) Some other pages to look at: Letterhead Tips and Instructions http://home.earthlink.net/~wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm Template Basics http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm How to Create a Template - Part 2 - essential reading http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm Word "Forms" http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordw...rces.htm#Forms and Word for Word Perfect Users http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm if you are coming from a WP environment (or even if you are not). If you are interested in creating templates that will work with the letter wizard or use that wizard, you should look at the chapter on Advanced Document Formatting in Using Office 2003 (or whatever your version is), Special Edition, by Ed Bott and Woody Leonhard. It has detailed instructions including instructions on getting the fields you want from your Outlook Contacts for addressing a letter. (Chapter 19 of SE Using Office 2003) You should be able to get this through your public library or at Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...ncecheckbookA/ Finally, take a look at the letter templates that come with Word. While they are no great shakes as letterhead, they do use styles and AutoText lists very well. If you use the same style names that are used in those templates in your own letterhead for the same parts of the document, you will have better luck with using the built-in AutoText entries in Word. Hope this helps, -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Sherry" wrote in message ... Ok, here goes again. I have a one-page document that has a header. If the page extends into a 2nd or 3rd page, I do not want a header on subsequent pages. The 1st page top margin needs to be set at 2.25, while subsequent pages (if they appear) need a top margin of 1.25. It seems I can solve these two problems, but not at the same time. I can elect for a different first page header by going to Page Setup--Layout--Different First Page Header. That does not solve the problem of a different top margin. That I tried to solve by putting in a section break immediately after the header on the first page. That will work to a degree in that I can then make the 2nd and subsequent pages have a different top margin. However, placement of the section break means that when a user opens the document and begins to type, the insertion point comes BEFORE the hidden section break, thereby moving the section break down the page as typing commences, and therefore formatting the 2nd page same as the first. I have been told many numerous remedies, mostly to either insert a paragraph on the first page for the extra space, or to use a text box. Neither case is sufficient for what my users need. They need for the insertion point to be at the EXACT location that they need to begin typing without changing any of the formatting. Surely as powerful an application as Word is, there must be a way to handle something this simple. This document is actually a letterhead that I have created with my logo, etc within the Header of the first page. If I do not place the logo in the Header and place it in the document as an object instead, the insertion point comes before the object, making everything move down. My users are not computer literate and would not know how to change a header, or how to move their insertion point. The biggest test comes from a user who is several steps above me on the chain of command, so I must satisfy his desires on this letterhead at all costs..lol....He creates his document as a plain document, then cuts and pastes it onto the letterhead. I know this is crazy and useless, but try to tell him that. Anyway, with the logo as an object, the cut and paste moves the object down the page and the text he pastes sort of goes into the middle of the object. Other users simply open the template and begin typing but again, the insertion point moves the section break. Help!!! Pulling my hair out over this one! Please feel free to email me if you can offer any further suggestions! |
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Thank you. You are right; it isn't needed to change the top and bottom
margins, only left and right. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... A text box is really not necessary and just adds to document complexity. Space Before/After is all that is required (whether you have a letterhead in the header or just an empty paragraph). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Use a Textbox in your first page header to mimic having different margins. See Letterhead Textboxes and Styles tutorial http://addbalance.com/word/download....StylesTutorial You may also want to take a look at: How to set up letterhead or some other document where you want one header on the first page and a different header on other pages. http://www.addbalance.com/word/headersfooters.htm This gives step-by-step instructions. (It also has the following links) Some other pages to look at: Letterhead Tips and Instructions http://home.earthlink.net/~wordfaqs/Letterhead.htm Template Basics http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm How to Create a Template - Part 2 - essential reading http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm Word "Forms" http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordw...rces.htm#Forms and Word for Word Perfect Users http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm if you are coming from a WP environment (or even if you are not). If you are interested in creating templates that will work with the letter wizard or use that wizard, you should look at the chapter on Advanced Document Formatting in Using Office 2003 (or whatever your version is), Special Edition, by Ed Bott and Woody Leonhard. It has detailed instructions including instructions on getting the fields you want from your Outlook Contacts for addressing a letter. (Chapter 19 of SE Using Office 2003) You should be able to get this through your public library or at Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...ncecheckbookA/ Finally, take a look at the letter templates that come with Word. While they are no great shakes as letterhead, they do use styles and AutoText lists very well. If you use the same style names that are used in those templates in your own letterhead for the same parts of the document, you will have better luck with using the built-in AutoText entries in Word. Hope this helps, -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Sherry" wrote in message ... Ok, here goes again. I have a one-page document that has a header. If the page extends into a 2nd or 3rd page, I do not want a header on subsequent pages. The 1st page top margin needs to be set at 2.25, while subsequent pages (if they appear) need a top margin of 1.25. It seems I can solve these two problems, but not at the same time. I can elect for a different first page header by going to Page Setup--Layout--Different First Page Header. That does not solve the problem of a different top margin. That I tried to solve by putting in a section break immediately after the header on the first page. That will work to a degree in that I can then make the 2nd and subsequent pages have a different top margin. However, placement of the section break means that when a user opens the document and begins to type, the insertion point comes BEFORE the hidden section break, thereby moving the section break down the page as typing commences, and therefore formatting the 2nd page same as the first. I have been told many numerous remedies, mostly to either insert a paragraph on the first page for the extra space, or to use a text box. Neither case is sufficient for what my users need. They need for the insertion point to be at the EXACT location that they need to begin typing without changing any of the formatting. Surely as powerful an application as Word is, there must be a way to handle something this simple. This document is actually a letterhead that I have created with my logo, etc within the Header of the first page. If I do not place the logo in the Header and place it in the document as an object instead, the insertion point comes before the object, making everything move down. My users are not computer literate and would not know how to change a header, or how to move their insertion point. The biggest test comes from a user who is several steps above me on the chain of command, so I must satisfy his desires on this letterhead at all costs..lol....He creates his document as a plain document, then cuts and pastes it onto the letterhead. I know this is crazy and useless, but try to tell him that. Anyway, with the logo as an object, the cut and paste moves the object down the page and the text he pastes sort of goes into the middle of the object. Other users simply open the template and begin typing but again, the insertion point moves the section break. Help!!! Pulling my hair out over this one! Please feel free to email me if you can offer any further suggestions! |
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