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Default different margins for different pages without using section breaks

Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy and paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as one piece of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page) it will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second page, unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?
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Default different margins for different pages without using section breaks

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

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Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy and

paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as one piece

of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page) it will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second page,

unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?


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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

I have read this article and although I can change the header and footer for
the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically change the margin. If I
go to the second page header and change the margin to 1" it will change the
first page too. Is there a way based on your article in 2007 to make the
first page have a 1.5" margin with a company logo and then automatically
create on the second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get one of the
two, but not both.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy and

paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as one piece

of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page) it will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second page,

unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?



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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

You haven't, I take it, read the section entitled "Creating a header for
preprinted letterhead." This explains how to create the different margins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
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"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I have read this article and although I can change the header and footer

for
the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically change the margin. If

I
go to the second page header and change the margin to 1" it will change

the
first page too. Is there a way based on your article in 2007 to make the
first page have a 1.5" margin with a company logo and then automatically
create on the second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get one of the
two, but not both.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy and

paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as one

piece
of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page) it

will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second page,

unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be

automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?




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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

I know you probably hear this all the time.... But I went through that
process over and over today in 2007. I create the second page first with a
1" margin and a performated page number. I also put a .75" margin on the
bottom and a .25" footer with my address on two lines.

Next I go the the header format and selected different first page header.
I then insert my logo into the header area and change the margin to 1.5" and
keep the header the same size.

Now I go into the letter area and start typing letters and hitting enter
over and over until I get a second page that does not have a logo just like I
want it except that the margin is 1.5". So I change that second page margin
to 1" and it looks great. I go back to the first page and it looks great
except the margin is now 1" too.

So I ended up keeping it this way and add two enters on the first page and I
have my artificial 1.5" margin for the first page. Any ideas where I failed?
I didn't seem to have this problem in the old Word of XP.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You haven't, I take it, read the section entitled "Creating a header for
preprinted letterhead." This explains how to create the different margins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I have read this article and although I can change the header and footer

for
the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically change the margin. If

I
go to the second page header and change the margin to 1" it will change

the
first page too. Is there a way based on your article in 2007 to make the
first page have a 1.5" margin with a company logo and then automatically
create on the second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get one of the
two, but not both.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy and
paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as one

piece
of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page) it

will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second page,
unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be

automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?






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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

Set the smaller margin for the pages then create the headers (temporarily
insert a page break to give the two pages). The more you put into the first
page header the more the header space will grow. The subsequent page header
will remain at the smaller size.

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Bjenks wrote:
I know you probably hear this all the time.... But I went through
that process over and over today in 2007. I create the second page
first with a 1" margin and a performated page number. I also put a
.75" margin on the bottom and a .25" footer with my address on two
lines.

Next I go the the header format and selected different first page
header.
I then insert my logo into the header area and change the margin to
1.5" and keep the header the same size.

Now I go into the letter area and start typing letters and hitting
enter over and over until I get a second page that does not have a
logo just like I want it except that the margin is 1.5". So I change
that second page margin to 1" and it looks great. I go back to the
first page and it looks great except the margin is now 1" too.

So I ended up keeping it this way and add two enters on the first
page and I have my artificial 1.5" margin for the first page. Any
ideas where I failed? I didn't seem to have this problem in the old
Word of XP.

You haven't, I take it, read the section entitled "Creating a header
for preprinted letterhead." This explains how to create the
different margins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I have read this article and although I can change the header and
footer for the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically
change the margin. If I go to the second page header and change
the margin to 1" it will change the first page too. Is there a way
based on your article in 2007 to make the first page have a 1.5"
margin with a company logo and then automatically create on the
second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get one of the two,
but not both. --
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different
margins/header/footer) without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I
copy and paste text from one document to this document it will
recognize it as one piece of information and when it runs of to
another page (or second page) - it will pick up the header and
footer from the first page not the second page, unless there is a
section break manually inserted. I want this to be automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?



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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

You've missed the point entirely. You can't change the actual page margin.
As Graham says, you set it for the smaller amount and use the content of the
header to create the larger margin. An oversized header will always push
page content down, whether with actual text or graphics or with Space After
used for this specific purpose.

It may be that perusal of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm would also be in order.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I know you probably hear this all the time.... But I went through that
process over and over today in 2007. I create the second page first with

a
1" margin and a performated page number. I also put a .75" margin on the
bottom and a .25" footer with my address on two lines.

Next I go the the header format and selected different first page header.
I then insert my logo into the header area and change the margin to 1.5"

and
keep the header the same size.

Now I go into the letter area and start typing letters and hitting enter
over and over until I get a second page that does not have a logo just

like I
want it except that the margin is 1.5". So I change that second page

margin
to 1" and it looks great. I go back to the first page and it looks great
except the margin is now 1" too.

So I ended up keeping it this way and add two enters on the first page and

I
have my artificial 1.5" margin for the first page. Any ideas where I

failed?
I didn't seem to have this problem in the old Word of XP.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You haven't, I take it, read the section entitled "Creating a header for
preprinted letterhead." This explains how to create the different

margins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I have read this article and although I can change the header and

footer
for
the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically change the margin.

If
I
go to the second page header and change the margin to 1" it will

change
the
first page too. Is there a way based on your article in 2007 to make

the
first page have a 1.5" margin with a company logo and then

automatically
create on the second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get one of

the
two, but not both.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different

margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy

and
paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as

one
piece
of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page)

it
will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second

page,
unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be

automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?





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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

I finally figured it out, Thanks... My other problem was that there isn't a
way to set the header size except to go into it and push enter until you get
the header space you need. I kept entering a larger number for the "Header
from Top" which would transfer over to the next page. So all I have to do as
you pointed out is press enter two times in the first page header and presto
it works.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You've missed the point entirely. You can't change the actual page margin.
As Graham says, you set it for the smaller amount and use the content of the
header to create the larger margin. An oversized header will always push
page content down, whether with actual text or graphics or with Space After
used for this specific purpose.

It may be that perusal of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm would also be in order.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I know you probably hear this all the time.... But I went through that
process over and over today in 2007. I create the second page first with

a
1" margin and a performated page number. I also put a .75" margin on the
bottom and a .25" footer with my address on two lines.

Next I go the the header format and selected different first page header.
I then insert my logo into the header area and change the margin to 1.5"

and
keep the header the same size.

Now I go into the letter area and start typing letters and hitting enter
over and over until I get a second page that does not have a logo just

like I
want it except that the margin is 1.5". So I change that second page

margin
to 1" and it looks great. I go back to the first page and it looks great
except the margin is now 1" too.

So I ended up keeping it this way and add two enters on the first page and

I
have my artificial 1.5" margin for the first page. Any ideas where I

failed?
I didn't seem to have this problem in the old Word of XP.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You haven't, I take it, read the section entitled "Creating a header for
preprinted letterhead." This explains how to create the different

margins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I have read this article and although I can change the header and

footer
for
the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically change the margin.

If
I
go to the second page header and change the margin to 1" it will

change
the
first page too. Is there a way based on your article in 2007 to make

the
first page have a 1.5" margin with a company logo and then

automatically
create on the second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get one of

the
two, but not both.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with defined
margins/header) to second page (with different

margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I copy

and
paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it as

one
piece
of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second page)

it
will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the second

page,
unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be
automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?






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Default different margins for different pages without using section br

Yes, there *is* a way. Instead of pressing Enter twice, apply some Spacing
Before/After to the header paragraph, as described in the article. You
cannot change the top or header margin from one page to the next; you *must*
fake it with added space. Empty paragraphs will certainly do the job, but
they're an inelegant solution.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I finally figured it out, Thanks... My other problem was that there isn't

a
way to set the header size except to go into it and push enter until you

get
the header space you need. I kept entering a larger number for the

"Header
from Top" which would transfer over to the next page. So all I have to do

as
you pointed out is press enter two times in the first page header and

presto
it works.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You've missed the point entirely. You can't change the actual page

margin.
As Graham says, you set it for the smaller amount and use the content of

the
header to create the larger margin. An oversized header will always push
page content down, whether with actual text or graphics or with Space

After
used for this specific purpose.

It may be that perusal of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm would also be in

order.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I know you probably hear this all the time.... But I went through

that
process over and over today in 2007. I create the second page first

with
a
1" margin and a performated page number. I also put a .75" margin on

the
bottom and a .25" footer with my address on two lines.

Next I go the the header format and selected different first page

header.
I then insert my logo into the header area and change the margin to

1.5"
and
keep the header the same size.

Now I go into the letter area and start typing letters and hitting

enter
over and over until I get a second page that does not have a logo just

like I
want it except that the margin is 1.5". So I change that second page

margin
to 1" and it looks great. I go back to the first page and it looks

great
except the margin is now 1" too.

So I ended up keeping it this way and add two enters on the first page

and
I
have my artificial 1.5" margin for the first page. Any ideas where I

failed?
I didn't seem to have this problem in the old Word of XP.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You haven't, I take it, read the section entitled "Creating a header

for
preprinted letterhead." This explains how to create the different

margins.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Bjenks" wrote in message
...
I have read this article and although I can change the header and

footer
for
the 1st and following pages I cannot automatically change the

margin.
If
I
go to the second page header and change the margin to 1" it will

change
the
first page too. Is there a way based on your article in 2007 to

make
the
first page have a 1.5" margin with a company logo and then

automatically
create on the second page a 1" margin and no logo? I can't get

one of
the
two, but not both.
--
Bryant


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

See the "More complex letterhead" section of
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"macasoga" wrote in message
...
Is this possible? I want text to run from first page (with

defined
margins/header) to second page (with different

margins/header/footer)
without using section breaks.

The reason I dont' want to use section breaks is because if I

copy
and
paste
text from one document to this document it will recognize it

as
one
piece
of
information and when it runs of to another page (or second

page)
it
will
pick up the header and footer from the first page not the

second
page,
unless
there is a section break manually inserted. I want this to be
automatic
without having to insert a section break. Is that possible?







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