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Richard Calderwood
 
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When I insert a Subdocument into a Master document, Word 2003 is inserting
continuous section breaks both before and after the subdocument. Word 2002
inserted a new page section break before, and a continuous one after. These
continuous section breaks cannot be manually changed to new page section
breaks in the Master. If the "after" one (which lives in the Subdocument) is
manually changed from within the Subdocument to a page break section break,
the Master ignores it and displays it as a continuous page break.

One evil side-effect is that when Word randomly decides to show the wrong
header or footer, you cannot fix it, because, in Print view mode (where you
can edit headers and footers), you are only shown every other header, because
there are two back-to-back continuous section breaks. In other words, when
you arrow down from header to footer to header to footer, you see that you
are going from e.g. section 13 to 15 to 17 to 19, and you simply cannot
access the even numbered ones.

Help!
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Daiya Mitchell
 
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Possibly Word Heretic will come along and help you out, but in general
there's little advice re Master Documents to be found here, other than:

Why Master Documents corrupt:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm

How to recover a Master Document:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm

Steve Hudson on how to make Master Documents work safely:
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...dhomepage.html

DM


On 12/2/04 9:29 PM, "Richard Calderwood" wrote:

When I insert a Subdocument into a Master document, Word 2003 is inserting
continuous section breaks both before and after the subdocument. Word 2002
inserted a new page section break before, and a continuous one after. These
continuous section breaks cannot be manually changed to new page section
breaks in the Master. If the "after" one (which lives in the Subdocument) is
manually changed from within the Subdocument to a page break section break,
the Master ignores it and displays it as a continuous page break.

One evil side-effect is that when Word randomly decides to show the wrong
header or footer, you cannot fix it, because, in Print view mode (where you
can edit headers and footers), you are only shown every other header, because
there are two back-to-back continuous section breaks. In other words, when
you arrow down from header to footer to header to footer, you see that you
are going from e.g. section 13 to 15 to 17 to 19, and you simply cannot
access the even numbered ones.

Help!


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G'day Richy waves to Daiya,

First up you can change the section break type quite easily using a
'feature' of Word's DOM. Insert a section break of the desired type
before the wrong one, then delete it.

HOWEVER

What is is the better solution is to be more sensible about this with
your document plan and style guide. If the effect you are after is
every sub-document must start on a new page, ensure they all start
with a style defined to start on a new page in the template used to
create the master. Much less headaches, much less mucking around.


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

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Richard Calderwood Richard
reckoned:

When I insert a Subdocument into a Master document, Word 2003 is inserting
continuous section breaks both before and after the subdocument. Word 2002
inserted a new page section break before, and a continuous one after. These
continuous section breaks cannot be manually changed to new page section
breaks in the Master. If the "after" one (which lives in the Subdocument) is
manually changed from within the Subdocument to a page break section break,
the Master ignores it and displays it as a continuous page break.

One evil side-effect is that when Word randomly decides to show the wrong
header or footer, you cannot fix it, because, in Print view mode (where you
can edit headers and footers), you are only shown every other header, because
there are two back-to-back continuous section breaks. In other words, when
you arrow down from header to footer to header to footer, you see that you
are going from e.g. section 13 to 15 to 17 to 19, and you simply cannot
access the even numbered ones.

Help!


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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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A better and more reliable way to change the section break type is to place
the insertion point after the break, go to the Layout tab of Page Setup, and
change the "Section start."

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G'day Richy waves to Daiya,

First up you can change the section break type quite easily using a
'feature' of Word's DOM. Insert a section break of the desired type
before the wrong one, then delete it.

HOWEVER

What is is the better solution is to be more sensible about this with
your document plan and style guide. If the effect you are after is
every sub-document must start on a new page, ensure they all start
with a style defined to start on a new page in the template used to
create the master. Much less headaches, much less mucking around.


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


Richard Calderwood Richard
reckoned:

When I insert a Subdocument into a Master document, Word 2003 is

inserting
continuous section breaks both before and after the subdocument. Word

2002
inserted a new page section break before, and a continuous one after.

These
continuous section breaks cannot be manually changed to new page section
breaks in the Master. If the "after" one (which lives in the Subdocument)

is
manually changed from within the Subdocument to a page break section

break,
the Master ignores it and displays it as a continuous page break.

One evil side-effect is that when Word randomly decides to show the wrong
header or footer, you cannot fix it, because, in Print view mode (where

you
can edit headers and footers), you are only shown every other header,

because
there are two back-to-back continuous section breaks. In other words,

when
you arrow down from header to footer to header to footer, you see that

you
are going from e.g. section 13 to 15 to 17 to 19, and you simply cannot
access the even numbered ones.

Help!



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Word Heretic
 
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G'day "Suzanne S. Barnhill" ,

I've had problems with that before, hopefully they've fixed that
'feature' :-) I should start sussing it out again.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

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Suzanne S. Barnhill reckoned:

A better and more reliable way to change the section break type is to place
the insertion point after the break, go to the Layout tab of Page Setup, and
change the "Section start."




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G'day "Suzanne S. Barnhill" ,

I should add - with well worked documents, not clean fresh ones :-)

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