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Bullets/numbers will not indent after first line
Suzanne,
Thank heavens for the help you gave Bob last year with bullet indention problems in Word 2002. I happened across your exchange by accident while trying to solve the same problem he had. I installed Word 2002 and spent a week of my life doing NOTHING but trying to understand why I didn't understand the bullet formatting rules. Today I'm behind schedule on my project, and much of my hair is gone, but after following your suggestion to uncheck the WordPerfect help boxes, my blood pressure is down, the bullets work flawlessly, and I'm smiling. Please, somehow, find a way to get the word out to the innumerable people who are sitting at home wasting massive amounts of time fighting this ridiculous glitch. I nearly uninstalled 2002 because of it. Better yet, please pass the problem along to Microsoft. They certainly wouldn't listen to me. Greg Norberg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Sorry. I meant to mention this earlier but got distracted. It is amazing how much harm those stupid options can do! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! The only change I made was to uncheck the WordPerfect buttons as mentioned, but that seems to have been the problem because both bullets and numbers now work! I appreciate your time in helping me resolve this problem. Bob "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're doing this on the Numbered or Bulleted tab of Bullets and Numbering, try using Outline Numbered instead. Expand the dialog and link Level 1 to List Bullet. Also, you say "Indent" twice in your message below. I assume by the first one you mean "Number position," which is the critical one for determining where the whole numbered/bulleted paragraph will begin. Also, if you want the runover lines to align with the first line, you need to make the indent 0.5" rather than 0.4" (0.25" + 0.25"). Also make sure that the paragraph formatting does not include any left, first-line, or hanging indents. For numbered/bulleted styles, these must be set in the Bullets and Numbering dialog; only right indents can be set in Format | Paragraph. After you've set the indents in Format | Bullets and Numbering, Format | Paragraph will show the appropriate left and hanging indents. Finally, make sure that you don't have either of the WordPerfect items checked on the General tab of Tools | Options. These can play havoc with indented styles. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... Suzanne thanks for your suggestions, but for some reason the process does not work. I still get the following: . . . Here is what I did: Reset all three tabs, resetting each pane, ok. Then went to styles & formatting/all styles/list bullet/modify style/format/numbering/customize/indent at 0.25"/ tab space after 0.25"/indent at 0.4" pressed ok, then ok at modify style. However, the first line is set fine, each addional line automatically goes to the left margin. No matter what numbers are plugged in for indents, etc, the first one works but the rest go to the left margin. Also, when I looked at the settings for the bullets/numbers that have gone to the left margin, the dialog box for the settings continue to have the correct indent spacing listed yet on the page they have not indented. Suggestions or comments? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you are applying bullets or numbering by applying a bulleted/numbering style that is linked to the numbering format, you should not be seeing this. If you are going to the Format | Bullets and Numbering dialog directly or are using the Bullets or Numbering button on the Formatting toolbar, then you can expect trouble. A good precaution is to open the Bullets and Numbering dialog first and go through all three tabs, selecting each pane and resetting it if Reset is enabled. Then close the dialog and go to Format | Style | Modify: Format: Numbering, set up your numbering scheme, and link it to the desired style(s). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message news I read this article previously and tried setting up a style for bullets and numbers; however, the same problem with the first number or bullet lining up the way the indentation amount was entered while the rest of the bullets or numbers went to the left side of the page at the margin contrary to the enterd setting. I did a detect and repair but the same thing happened afterwards; and tried the styles and formating, modifying and saving a new bullet style but the problem was still there. Also, I also have on another computer Office XP pro and there is no problems using bullets/numbers. A friend of mine also has Office 2003 pro and whenever the numbers or bullets tab is chosen, no problem. I set up all of my options the way she has hers on my Office 2003 in case I had a setting that was doing this, but the problem was still there. This might just be a software glitch in need of a reinstall? Comments? Suggestion? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The "bulletproof" way to set this up is to define the numbering as part of a style and use the style when you want to apply the numbering. For more, see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... No, the asterisk was for placement purposes only. I can use any bullet or number, hit the enter button once to go to the next line and the following line up of bullets/numbers happens: 1. 2. 3. 4. Or with bullets . . . . The first entry is set up correctly, but the rest of them will always go to the left margin. They do not automatically line up under each other, even though the settings are the same for each one. For example, if the numbers were to be indented at .25 and text at .30, say from the customize dialog button under format/bullets & numbers, this correctly happends only to the first entry. All the rest, even though they have the very same settings as ..25 and .30, will always place themselves at the left hand of the page margin. This happens with any numerical placement settings.The only work around I've found is to highlight the section and then go to the bullets/numbers dialog box, highlight the picture I want and press ok, then they all line up correctly. So, insead of the following: 1. 2. 3. Word always does this: 1. 2. 3. Thanks for your response. "Roxie" wrote: I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Are you using the asterisk (*) as a bullet? You can't do that directly from the keyboard, you have to go to Format-Bullets & Numbering-Customize-character and then change the bullet character to an asterisk (or whatever) and then select it and click 'OK'. Also, if you hit 'enter' twice when typing in a bulleted list (as in when beginning a new line) you'll mess up the bullets. If you want to skip two lines, use the shift key. -----Original Message----- Hello, No matter what I've tried, I can't seem to have bullets and numbers stay properly formatted. Example: * * * Note that the first one indents correctly while the rest of the list always begins at the margin. I can manually change line for line but not automatically. I've tried styles and formatting but again, even though the indent margin, say is .025, it is only the first line that correctly moves that distance with the rest beginning at the left margin. I did a detect and repair, but nothing changed. I'm using Office 2003. Help? Bob . |
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Greg,
I'll echo your comments. I just started a new job and was having the same issue with Word 2003. Additionally, the home key didn't seem to work. Whenever I pressed it to go to the beginning of a line nothing happened and when I pressed Ctrl+Home to go to the beginning of the document I got the Go To dialog box (same as Ctrl+G). I also use Word 2003 at home and never had this issue. As soon as I unchecked one of the Wordperfect check boxes, though, all of these issues went away! Ben "Greg" wrote: Suzanne, Thank heavens for the help you gave Bob last year with bullet indention problems in Word 2002. I happened across your exchange by accident while trying to solve the same problem he had. I installed Word 2002 and spent a week of my life doing NOTHING but trying to understand why I didn't understand the bullet formatting rules. Today I'm behind schedule on my project, and much of my hair is gone, but after following your suggestion to uncheck the WordPerfect help boxes, my blood pressure is down, the bullets work flawlessly, and I'm smiling. Please, somehow, find a way to get the word out to the innumerable people who are sitting at home wasting massive amounts of time fighting this ridiculous glitch. I nearly uninstalled 2002 because of it. Better yet, please pass the problem along to Microsoft. They certainly wouldn't listen to me. Greg Norberg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Sorry. I meant to mention this earlier but got distracted. It is amazing how much harm those stupid options can do! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! The only change I made was to uncheck the WordPerfect buttons as mentioned, but that seems to have been the problem because both bullets and numbers now work! I appreciate your time in helping me resolve this problem. Bob "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're doing this on the Numbered or Bulleted tab of Bullets and Numbering, try using Outline Numbered instead. Expand the dialog and link Level 1 to List Bullet. Also, you say "Indent" twice in your message below. I assume by the first one you mean "Number position," which is the critical one for determining where the whole numbered/bulleted paragraph will begin. Also, if you want the runover lines to align with the first line, you need to make the indent 0.5" rather than 0.4" (0.25" + 0.25"). Also make sure that the paragraph formatting does not include any left, first-line, or hanging indents. For numbered/bulleted styles, these must be set in the Bullets and Numbering dialog; only right indents can be set in Format | Paragraph. After you've set the indents in Format | Bullets and Numbering, Format | Paragraph will show the appropriate left and hanging indents. Finally, make sure that you don't have either of the WordPerfect items checked on the General tab of Tools | Options. These can play havoc with indented styles. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... Suzanne thanks for your suggestions, but for some reason the process does not work. I still get the following: . . . Here is what I did: Reset all three tabs, resetting each pane, ok. Then went to styles & formatting/all styles/list bullet/modify style/format/numbering/customize/indent at 0.25"/ tab space after 0.25"/indent at 0.4" pressed ok, then ok at modify style. However, the first line is set fine, each addional line automatically goes to the left margin. No matter what numbers are plugged in for indents, etc, the first one works but the rest go to the left margin. Also, when I looked at the settings for the bullets/numbers that have gone to the left margin, the dialog box for the settings continue to have the correct indent spacing listed yet on the page they have not indented. Suggestions or comments? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you are applying bullets or numbering by applying a bulleted/numbering style that is linked to the numbering format, you should not be seeing this. If you are going to the Format | Bullets and Numbering dialog directly or are using the Bullets or Numbering button on the Formatting toolbar, then you can expect trouble. A good precaution is to open the Bullets and Numbering dialog first and go through all three tabs, selecting each pane and resetting it if Reset is enabled. Then close the dialog and go to Format | Style | Modify: Format: Numbering, set up your numbering scheme, and link it to the desired style(s). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message news I read this article previously and tried setting up a style for bullets and numbers; however, the same problem with the first number or bullet lining up the way the indentation amount was entered while the rest of the bullets or numbers went to the left side of the page at the margin contrary to the enterd setting. I did a detect and repair but the same thing happened afterwards; and tried the styles and formating, modifying and saving a new bullet style but the problem was still there. Also, I also have on another computer Office XP pro and there is no problems using bullets/numbers. A friend of mine also has Office 2003 pro and whenever the numbers or bullets tab is chosen, no problem. I set up all of my options the way she has hers on my Office 2003 in case I had a setting that was doing this, but the problem was still there. This might just be a software glitch in need of a reinstall? Comments? Suggestion? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The "bulletproof" way to set this up is to define the numbering as part of a style and use the style when you want to apply the numbering. For more, see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... No, the asterisk was for placement purposes only. I can use any bullet or number, hit the enter button once to go to the next line and the following line up of bullets/numbers happens: 1. 2. 3. 4. Or with bullets . . . . The first entry is set up correctly, but the rest of them will always go to the left margin. They do not automatically line up under each other, even though the settings are the same for each one. For example, if the numbers were to be indented at .25 and text at .30, say from the customize dialog button under format/bullets & numbers, this correctly happends only to the first entry. All the rest, even though they have the very same settings as ..25 and .30, will always place themselves at the left hand of the page margin. This happens with any numerical placement settings.The only work around I've found is to highlight the section and then go to the bullets/numbers dialog box, highlight the picture I want and press ok, then they all line up correctly. So, insead of the following: 1. 2. 3. Word always does this: 1. 2. 3. Thanks for your response. "Roxie" wrote: I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Are you using the asterisk (*) as a bullet? You can't do that directly from the keyboard, you have to go to Format-Bullets & Numbering-Customize-character and then change the bullet character to an asterisk (or whatever) and then select it and click 'OK'. Also, if you hit 'enter' twice when typing in a bulleted list (as in when beginning a new line) you'll mess up the bullets. If you want to skip two lines, use the shift key. -----Original Message----- Hello, No matter what I've tried, I can't seem to have bullets and numbers stay properly formatted. Example: * * * Note that the first one indents correctly while the rest of the list always begins at the margin. I can manually change line for line but not automatically. I've tried styles and formatting but again, even though the indent margin, say is .025, it is only the first line that correctly moves that distance with the rest beginning at the left margin. I did a detect and repair, but nothing changed. I'm using Office 2003. Help? Bob . |
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The mystery, of course, is how these boxes get checked in the first place.
To be sure, some WP migrants might check them under the mistaken impression that they will make migration easier (they don't unless you're migrating from WP 5.1 for DOS), but many other users find that they have been checked behind their backs, presumably by a poorly written add-in. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Ben" wrote in message ... Greg, I'll echo your comments. I just started a new job and was having the same issue with Word 2003. Additionally, the home key didn't seem to work. Whenever I pressed it to go to the beginning of a line nothing happened and when I pressed Ctrl+Home to go to the beginning of the document I got the Go To dialog box (same as Ctrl+G). I also use Word 2003 at home and never had this issue. As soon as I unchecked one of the Wordperfect check boxes, though, all of these issues went away! Ben "Greg" wrote: Suzanne, Thank heavens for the help you gave Bob last year with bullet indention problems in Word 2002. I happened across your exchange by accident while trying to solve the same problem he had. I installed Word 2002 and spent a week of my life doing NOTHING but trying to understand why I didn't understand the bullet formatting rules. Today I'm behind schedule on my project, and much of my hair is gone, but after following your suggestion to uncheck the WordPerfect help boxes, my blood pressure is down, the bullets work flawlessly, and I'm smiling. Please, somehow, find a way to get the word out to the innumerable people who are sitting at home wasting massive amounts of time fighting this ridiculous glitch. I nearly uninstalled 2002 because of it. Better yet, please pass the problem along to Microsoft. They certainly wouldn't listen to me. Greg Norberg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Sorry. I meant to mention this earlier but got distracted. It is amazing how much harm those stupid options can do! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! The only change I made was to uncheck the WordPerfect buttons as mentioned, but that seems to have been the problem because both bullets and numbers now work! I appreciate your time in helping me resolve this problem. Bob "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you're doing this on the Numbered or Bulleted tab of Bullets and Numbering, try using Outline Numbered instead. Expand the dialog and link Level 1 to List Bullet. Also, you say "Indent" twice in your message below. I assume by the first one you mean "Number position," which is the critical one for determining where the whole numbered/bulleted paragraph will begin. Also, if you want the runover lines to align with the first line, you need to make the indent 0.5" rather than 0.4" (0.25" + 0.25"). Also make sure that the paragraph formatting does not include any left, first-line, or hanging indents. For numbered/bulleted styles, these must be set in the Bullets and Numbering dialog; only right indents can be set in Format | Paragraph. After you've set the indents in Format | Bullets and Numbering, Format | Paragraph will show the appropriate left and hanging indents. Finally, make sure that you don't have either of the WordPerfect items checked on the General tab of Tools | Options. These can play havoc with indented styles. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... Suzanne thanks for your suggestions, but for some reason the process does not work. I still get the following: . . . Here is what I did: Reset all three tabs, resetting each pane, ok. Then went to styles & formatting/all styles/list bullet/modify style/format/numbering/customize/indent at 0.25"/ tab space after 0.25"/indent at 0.4" pressed ok, then ok at modify style. However, the first line is set fine, each addional line automatically goes to the left margin. No matter what numbers are plugged in for indents, etc, the first one works but the rest go to the left margin. Also, when I looked at the settings for the bullets/numbers that have gone to the left margin, the dialog box for the settings continue to have the correct indent spacing listed yet on the page they have not indented. Suggestions or comments? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you are applying bullets or numbering by applying a bulleted/numbering style that is linked to the numbering format, you should not be seeing this. If you are going to the Format | Bullets and Numbering dialog directly or are using the Bullets or Numbering button on the Formatting toolbar, then you can expect trouble. A good precaution is to open the Bullets and Numbering dialog first and go through all three tabs, selecting each pane and resetting it if Reset is enabled. Then close the dialog and go to Format | Style | Modify: Format: Numbering, set up your numbering scheme, and link it to the desired style(s). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message news I read this article previously and tried setting up a style for bullets and numbers; however, the same problem with the first number or bullet lining up the way the indentation amount was entered while the rest of the bullets or numbers went to the left side of the page at the margin contrary to the enterd setting. I did a detect and repair but the same thing happened afterwards; and tried the styles and formating, modifying and saving a new bullet style but the problem was still there. Also, I also have on another computer Office XP pro and there is no problems using bullets/numbers. A friend of mine also has Office 2003 pro and whenever the numbers or bullets tab is chosen, no problem. I set up all of my options the way she has hers on my Office 2003 in case I had a setting that was doing this, but the problem was still there. This might just be a software glitch in need of a reinstall? Comments? Suggestion? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The "bulletproof" way to set this up is to define the numbering as part of a style and use the style when you want to apply the numbering. For more, see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob" wrote in message ... No, the asterisk was for placement purposes only. I can use any bullet or number, hit the enter button once to go to the next line and the following line up of bullets/numbers happens: 1. 2. 3. 4. Or with bullets . . . . The first entry is set up correctly, but the rest of them will always go to the left margin. They do not automatically line up under each other, even though the settings are the same for each one. For example, if the numbers were to be indented at .25 and text at .30, say from the customize dialog button under format/bullets & numbers, this correctly happends only to the first entry. All the rest, even though they have the very same settings as ..25 and .30, will always place themselves at the left hand of the page margin. This happens with any numerical placement settings.The only work around I've found is to highlight the section and then go to the bullets/numbers dialog box, highlight the picture I want and press ok, then they all line up correctly. So, insead of the following: 1. 2. 3. Word always does this: 1. 2. 3. Thanks for your response. "Roxie" wrote: I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Are you using the asterisk (*) as a bullet? You can't do that directly from the keyboard, you have to go to Format-Bullets & Numbering-Customize-character and then change the bullet character to an asterisk (or whatever) and then select it and click 'OK'. Also, if you hit 'enter' twice when typing in a bulleted list (as in when beginning a new line) you'll mess up the bullets. If you want to skip two lines, use the shift key. -----Original Message----- Hello, No matter what I've tried, I can't seem to have bullets and numbers stay properly formatted. Example: * * * Note that the first one indents correctly while the rest of the list always begins at the margin. I can manually change line for line but not automatically. I've tried styles and formatting but again, even though the indent margin, say is .025, it is only the first line that correctly moves that distance with the rest beginning at the left margin. I did a detect and repair, but nothing changed. I'm using Office 2003. Help? Bob . |
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