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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word 2003
already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line spacing
and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many, many problems.
These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12 and 14 points. Words on a
line flow to the next line causing paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word
actually fits on the line above. These documents contain a lot of formulas
and programming code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and
critical. Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned.
I have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility options
as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on and off. The only
fixes I have come up with are doing things like reducing font size by .5
point, setting paragraph right indent by even as little as negative .05
inches. But I would have to do this line by line or paragraph by paragraph.
I spent nearly a week just finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten
documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem (although I am not
sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I keep 2003 and 97? Is
there any other way to "freeze" spacing?
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Yes, you can install Word 97 in Windows XP even if you already have Office 2003 with Word 2003 installed. However, there may be some conflicts between the two versions of Word, so it's important to be aware of them before proceeding.

One potential conflict is that both versions of Word may try to associate themselves with the same file types, such as .doc or .docx. This could cause confusion and make it difficult to open the files you want in the version of Word you want. To avoid this, you can choose which version of Word is the default for each file type. To do this,
  1. right-click on a file of the type you want to change,
  2. select "Open With," and then
  3. choose the version of Word you want to use.
You can also check the "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file" box to make the change permanent.

Another potential conflict is that some features or formatting options may not be compatible between the two versions of Word. For example, Word 97 may not recognize some of the newer fonts or formatting options that were introduced in Word 2003. This could cause some of your documents to look different or not display properly. To avoid this, you can try saving your documents in a format that is compatible with both versions of Word, such as .rtf or .txt. This will strip out any formatting that is not compatible and preserve the text and basic formatting.

As for freezing spacing, one option you could try is to use the "Keep lines together" and "Keep with next" options in the Paragraph dialog box. These options can help ensure that certain lines or paragraphs stay together and don't break across pages or columns. To access the Paragraph dialog box, click on the small arrow in the bottom right corner of the Paragraph group on the Home tab. From there, you can select the "Line and Page Breaks" tab and check the boxes for "Keep lines together" and "Keep with next" as needed.

Overall, installing Word 97 may be a viable solution to your formatting problems, but it's important to be aware of the potential conflicts and limitations. You may also want to consider other options, such as converting your documents to a different format or using the "Keep lines together" and "Keep with next" options to help preserve spacing.
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats of Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer driver (and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as when you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12 and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned. I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem (although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?



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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not resolve the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the display and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it "OldArial", but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats of Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer driver (and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as when you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12 and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned. I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem (although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?




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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified lines a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as

well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not resolve

the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the display

and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it "OldArial",

but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats of

Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer driver

(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as when

you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current

installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12 and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned. I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem (although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?







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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient distance from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one or more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line in the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is left-justified? If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at straws, I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified lines a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as

well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not resolve

the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the display

and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it "OldArial",

but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats of

Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer driver

(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as when

you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current

installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12 and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned. I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem (although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?





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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line. I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient distance

from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one or

more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line in

the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the

font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is left-justified?

If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at straws,

I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified lines

a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as

well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth

between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not

resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a

test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess

I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the

display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a

test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see

any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between

letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats

of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact

that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the

font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to

the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer

driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as

when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current

installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12

and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the

line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and

critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned.

I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on

and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do

this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I

keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?






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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from .03 to
..02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05 points) and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In Word 97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361 inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line. I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient distance

from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one or

more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line in

the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the

font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is left-justified?

If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at straws,

I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified lines

a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth

between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not

resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a

test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess

I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the

display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a

test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see

any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between

letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats

of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact

that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the

font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to

the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer

driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as

when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12

and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the

line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and

critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned.

I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on

and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do

this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I

keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?







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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table

cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from .03

to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a

small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05 points)

and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a

tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In Word

97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361 inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another

paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro

display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going

backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line.

I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more

or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin

or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the

font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or

from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth

between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not

resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting

a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the

display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of

a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't

see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between

letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according

to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer

driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as

when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with

Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,

line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause

many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of

12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and

critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned

on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent

by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do

this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week

just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I

keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?








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Jay Freedman
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

There is one known problem with Word 97 on Windows XP, that users without
Administrator privileges may not be able to run the spell checker. There's
an easy fix for it:
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/...edOutWin2k.htm.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.


"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a
table cell, so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing
between cells from .03 to .02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have
hundreds of tables. I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to
show a MsgBox with the exact position of the cursor in inches,
points and twips. There is a small difference. For example, at the
end of a given line, the measurement from the left edge of the page
in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05 points) and in Word 2003, it
was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a tenth of an
inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In
Word 97, it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was
6.27361 inches (451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a
word in another paragraph was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro
display (which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text)
was different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not
do so, but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I
can imagine this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems
like going backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the
line. I don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or
earlier that I saw this, but I know that I had a complex lease form
that, when opened in a newer version, was actually cutting text off
at the edge. I forget whether the problem was with table cells that
weren't quite wide enough any more or right-aligned tab stops that
had to be moved a hair in from the margin or what, but it was very
annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message ...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting) about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem.
This is probably because they are left justified and each line
ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have
one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the
paragraphs have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the
preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that
the font, font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words
or from the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually
compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message ...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth
between printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off.
While I could sometimes see very minor differences in the
display, that did not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right
indenting

a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot
of

a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't

see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing
between letters. It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according

to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with
Word 2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,
line spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to
cause many, many problems. These are student workbooks with
font sizes of

12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming code examples so formatting and spacing is very
precise and critical. Even text forming formulas and program
code in a table may overflow resulting in misalignment of
lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all
compatibility options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer
metrics turned

on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent
by even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to
do this line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly
a week just finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten
documents. I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this
problem (although I am not sure it will). What conflicts will
I encounter? Can I keep 2003 and 97? Is there any other way
to "freeze" spacing?





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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some sense to
me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's metrics
make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the preceding line.
This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several documents for
days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents of
anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line. I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient distance

from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one or

more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line in

the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the

font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is left-justified?

If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at straws,

I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified lines

a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth

between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not

resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a

test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess

I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the

display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a

test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see

any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between

letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats

of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact

that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the

font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to

the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer

driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as

when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12

and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the

line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and

critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned.

I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on

and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do

this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I

keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?







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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have changed,
or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way outside
my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some sense

to
me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's metrics
make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the preceding

line.
This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several documents

for
days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents of
anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line.

I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more

or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin

or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the

font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or

from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth

between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not

resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting

a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the

display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of

a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't

see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between

letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according

to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer

driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as

when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with

Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,

line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause

many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of

12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and

critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned

on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent

by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do

this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week

just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I

keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?








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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I have thought that it was more about spacing between words and lines than
the font. In fact, I copied the old Arial font and it didn't help. Since
Word has to compute spacing, that would make more sense. Many thanks for
your help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have changed,
or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way outside
my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some sense

to
me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's metrics
make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the preceding

line.
This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several documents

for
days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents of
anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line.

I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more

or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin

or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or

from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting

a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of

a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't

see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according

to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with

Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,

line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause

many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of

12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned

on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent

by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week

just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?









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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97 and the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need to be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003. Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table

cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from .03

to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a

small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05 points)

and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a

tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In Word

97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361 inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another

paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro

display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going

backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line.

I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more

or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin

or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or

from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting

a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of

a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't

see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according

to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with

Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,

line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause

many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of

12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned

on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent

by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week

just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?









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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

You can't "copy" Word; you must install it from the Office CD. If you do a
custom install, you can select just the applications and features you want
to install.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97 and

the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows

issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something

Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it

seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I

want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool

bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP

that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need to

be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003. Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table

cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from

..03
to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with

the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a

small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement

from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05

points)
and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a

tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In

Word
97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361

inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another

paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro

display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was

different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do

so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can

imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going

backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the

line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I

saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened

in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any

more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the

margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have

one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding

line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that

the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words

or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses

justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and

forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did

not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.

I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format

the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a

snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with

the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases

of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines

present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003

with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on

2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to

cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes

of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits

on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise

and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics

turned
on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things

like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right

indent
by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have

to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a

week
just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten

documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter?

Can I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?












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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Yes, that makes good sense. But, what about the fact that Word 2003 is
already installed. Won't there be a conflict with 2 winword's, .dll's, etc?
Many supporting files have the same name.
And, by the way, I know and appreciate your patience and help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You can't "copy" Word; you must install it from the Office CD. If you do a
custom install, you can select just the applications and features you want
to install.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97 and

the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows

issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something

Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it

seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I

want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool

bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP

that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need to

be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003. Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table
cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from

..03
to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with

the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a
small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement

from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05

points)
and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a
tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In

Word
97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361

inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another
paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro
display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was

different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do

so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can

imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going
backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the

line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I

saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened

in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget
whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any

more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the

margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is
probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient
distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have

one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the
paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding

line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that

the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words

or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is
left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at
straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses

justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP
machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and

forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I
could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did

not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.

I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format

the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a

snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file
formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with

the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases

of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines

present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003

with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on

2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to

cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes

of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits

on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise

and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely
aligned.
I

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

Install it in a different folder. There will be competition. If you
double-click a Word file in Explorer, it will open in whichever version of
Word you used more recently, and you may get an "Installing..." notice when
you start the other version.

Users who run several versions of Word as a matter of course (for testing
purposes) often use virtual machines created by Virtual PC or VMware.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Yes, that makes good sense. But, what about the fact that Word 2003 is
already installed. Won't there be a conflict with 2 winword's, .dll's,

etc?
Many supporting files have the same name.
And, by the way, I know and appreciate your patience and help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You can't "copy" Word; you must install it from the Office CD. If you do

a
custom install, you can select just the applications and features you

want
to install.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97

and
the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows

issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something

Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it

seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I

want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool

bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP

that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I

can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do

this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need

to
be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003.

Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a

table
cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells

from
..03
to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox

with
the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There

is a
small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the

measurement
from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05

points)
and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less

than a
tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a

difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In

Word
97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361

inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another
paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the

macro
display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was

different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to

not do
so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can

imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going
backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along

the
line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier

that I
saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when

opened
in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I

forget
whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough

any
more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the

margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating,

not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is
probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a

sufficient
distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs

have
one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of

the
paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the

preceding
line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified

that
the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between

words
or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is
left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching

at
straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses

justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to

the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote

in
message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the

XP
machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and

forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off.

While I
could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that

did
not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one

paragraph.
I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to

format
the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming

it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a

snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the

file
formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but

with
the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different

releases
of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines

present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office

2003
with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on

2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to

cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font

sizes
of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line

causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually

fits
on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very

precise
and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table

may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be

precisely
aligned.
I


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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
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Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I installed Word 97 as you indicated. However, when I opened a document, the
same problems were still there. I have tried using the old fonts, the old
printer driver, various Word options and compatibility settings, and have
gotten nowhere. The only thing I know to do is go back and reformat every
paragraph, including very precise format settings for text in table cells to
create formulas. Unfortunately, most of these documents are training
workbooks and have to deal with mainframe programming code which, for
example, requires that an instruction or line of code must be on a single
line. I also have a technical book where the publisher issues supplements of
only changed pages, so I don't yet know how to handle this. I figure all
this will take me several weeks. I did have some minor formatting problems
when I went from Word 6.0 to Word 97, but nothing like this.

I really appreciate all the ideas offered by you and others in this
discussion group.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have changed,
or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way outside
my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some sense

to
me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's metrics
make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the preceding

line.
This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several documents

for
days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents of
anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line.

I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more

or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin

or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or

from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting

a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of

a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't

see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according

to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with

Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,

line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause

many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of

12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned

on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent

by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week

just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?









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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I see you have not posted a question in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
as I suggested.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I installed Word 97 as you indicated. However, when I opened a document,

the
same problems were still there. I have tried using the old fonts, the old
printer driver, various Word options and compatibility settings, and have
gotten nowhere. The only thing I know to do is go back and reformat every
paragraph, including very precise format settings for text in table cells

to
create formulas. Unfortunately, most of these documents are training
workbooks and have to deal with mainframe programming code which, for
example, requires that an instruction or line of code must be on a single
line. I also have a technical book where the publisher issues supplements

of
only changed pages, so I don't yet know how to handle this. I figure all
this will take me several weeks. I did have some minor formatting

problems
when I went from Word 6.0 to Word 97, but nothing like this.

I really appreciate all the ideas offered by you and others in this
discussion group.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have

changed,
or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way

outside
my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some

sense
to
me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's

metrics
make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the

preceding
line.
This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several

documents
for
days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents

of
anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the

line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I

saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened

in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any

more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the

margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have

one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding

line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that

the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words

or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses

justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and

forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did

not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.

I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format

the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a

snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with

the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases

of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines

present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003

with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on

2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to

cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes

of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits

on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise

and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics

turned
on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things

like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right

indent
by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have

to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a

week
just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten

documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter?

Can I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?










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Keith Dunbar
 
Posts: n/a
Default Word 97 in Windows XP to maintain formatting

I completed a website with publisher and it looked perfect on my computer.
When I saw it on a computer in an Internet Cafe it was too small for the
screen. Is this a similar problem?

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions" wrote:

Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from .03 to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05 points) and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In Word 97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361 inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the line. I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any more or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient distance

from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one or

more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line in

the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that the

font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is left-justified?

If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at straws,

I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified lines

a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth

between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did not

resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right indenting a

test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I guess

I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the

display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot of a

test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I didn't see

any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing between

letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file formats

of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the fact

that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of the

font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats according to

the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same printer

driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present as

when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003 with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003, line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes of 12

and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on the

line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and

critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely aligned.

I
have tried every option I can think of including all compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics turned on

and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to do

this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can I

keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?









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Suzanne S. Barnhill
 
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No, this more likely has to do with the screen resolution. You need to post
such questions in a Publisher NG.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Keith Dunbar" Keith wrote in message
...
I completed a website with publisher and it looked perfect on my computer.
When I saw it on a computer in an Internet Cafe it was too small for the
screen. Is this a similar problem?

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions" wrote:

Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table

cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from

..03 to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a

small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement

from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05 points)

and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a

tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In Word

97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361 inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another

paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro

display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was

different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do

so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can

imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going

backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the

line. I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I

saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened in

a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any

more or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the margin

or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site:
http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have one

or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding line

in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that

the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words or

from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses justified

lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did

not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph. I

guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a snapshot

of a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with the

fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases of

the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines present

as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003

with Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on 2003,

line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to cause

many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes

of 12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits on

the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics

turned on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things

like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right

indent by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have to

do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a

week just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter? Can

I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?








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Charlie''s Word VBA questions
 
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True. But, silly me, I could not find a group by that name or an address and
when I did a search on "printingfonts", "printing fonts" and even just
"fonts", I just got "Sorry, no results ..."

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I see you have not posted a question in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
as I suggested.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I installed Word 97 as you indicated. However, when I opened a document,

the
same problems were still there. I have tried using the old fonts, the old
printer driver, various Word options and compatibility settings, and have
gotten nowhere. The only thing I know to do is go back and reformat every
paragraph, including very precise format settings for text in table cells

to
create formulas. Unfortunately, most of these documents are training
workbooks and have to deal with mainframe programming code which, for
example, requires that an instruction or line of code must be on a single
line. I also have a technical book where the publisher issues supplements

of
only changed pages, so I don't yet know how to handle this. I figure all
this will take me several weeks. I did have some minor formatting

problems
when I went from Word 6.0 to Word 97, but nothing like this.

I really appreciate all the ideas offered by you and others in this
discussion group.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have

changed,
or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way

outside
my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some

sense
to
me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's

metrics
make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the

preceding
line.
This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several

documents
for
days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents

of
anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the

line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I

saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened

in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget
whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any

more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the

margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in

message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is
probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient
distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have

one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the
paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding

line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that

the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words

or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is
left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at
straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses

justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP
machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and

forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I
could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did

not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.

I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format

the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a

snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file
formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with

the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases

of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines

present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003

with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on

2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to

cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes

of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits

on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise

and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely
aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all
compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics

turned
on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things

like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right

indent
by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have

to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a

week
just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten

documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter?

Can I
keep

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garfield-n-odie
 
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Suzanne gave you the full name of the newsgroup. Since you're
posting from Microsoft's web interface, go to
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...rintingfont s
..

Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:

True. But, silly me, I could not find a group by that name or an address and
when I did a search on "printingfonts", "printing fonts" and even just
"fonts", I just got "Sorry, no results ..."

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


I see you have not posted a question in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
as I suggested.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
. com wrote in message
...

I installed Word 97 as you indicated. However, when I opened a document,


the

same problems were still there. I have tried using the old fonts, the old
printer driver, various Word options and compatibility settings, and have
gotten nowhere. The only thing I know to do is go back and reformat every
paragraph, including very precise format settings for text in table cells


to

create formulas. Unfortunately, most of these documents are training
workbooks and have to deal with mainframe programming code which, for
example, requires that an instruction or line of code must be on a single
line. I also have a technical book where the publisher issues supplements


of

only changed pages, so I don't yet know how to handle this. I figure all
this will take me several weeks. I did have some minor formatting


problems

when I went from Word 6.0 to Word 97, but nothing like this.

I really appreciate all the ideas offered by you and others in this
discussion group.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have


changed,

or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way


outside

my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the


newsgroup so

all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
t.com wrote in message
...

Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some


sense

to

me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's


metrics

make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the


preceding

line.

This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several


documents

for

days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents


of

anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the


line.

I

don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I


saw

this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened


in a

newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether

the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any


more

or

right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the


margin

or

what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so

all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
oft.com wrote in


message

...

Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)

about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably

because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance

from

the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have


one

or

more

words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs

have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding


line

in

the

paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that


the

font,

font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words


or

from

the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?

If

so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,

I

know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in

Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses


justified

lines

a

bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup so

all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
osoft.com wrote in

message

...

Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as

well

as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and


forth

between

printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could

sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did


not

resolve

the

problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right


indenting

a

test

paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.


I

guess

I

don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format


the

display

and

print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",

but

Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a


snapshot of

a

test

paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I


didn't

see

any

differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing


between

letters.

It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:


This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats

of

Word

97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with


the

fact

that

different printer drivers (and possibly different releases


of

the

font

files) were used to create the documents. Word formats


according

to

the

current printer driver. You would have to have the same


printer

driver

(and

I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines


present as

when

you

created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your


current

installation

will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:

Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003


with

Word

2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on


2003,

line

spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to


cause

many,

many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes


of

12

and

14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits


on

the

line

above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming

code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise


and

critical.

Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow

resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.

I

have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility

options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics


turned

on

and

off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things


like

reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right


indent

by

even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have


to do

this

line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a


week

just

finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten


documents.

I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I

am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter?


Can I

keep


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