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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
I opened a saved document to use it in another and took the footers out but
now the empty footer is still there. How do I delete empty headers and footers? |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
You can't. If a document ever had headers or footers, they'll never go
away. But you can move them outside of anywhere they could interfere with you, on the Layout page of the Page Setup panel. On Apr 18, 2:18*pm, sister_in_aa wrote: *I opened a saved document to use it in another and took the footers out but now the empty footer is still there. How do I delete empty headers and footers? |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Are you saying you still see a paragraph mark in the header/footer? If so,
select the paragraph mark you see and press delete. Make sure you select the paragraph mark and press Delete instead of clicking in the header/footer and pressing Backspace. If it doesn't disappear then what version of Word are you using? I recall this was an issue at one time but I don't recall which version. (Word 200 I think) I also recall Suzanne Barnhill had a workaround of showing/hiding text boundaries that sometimes removed the empty paragraph mark. Maybe that will work for you? You can find Text Boundaries under Tools/Options/View. You need to turn them on, click OK, then return to the dialog box and turn them off again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "sister_in_aa" wrote in message ... I opened a saved document to use it in another and took the footers out but now the empty footer is still there. How do I delete empty headers and footers? |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
From Word 97 (IIRC) on, once you have any text in the header/footer, there
is NO way to remove the empty paragraph. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Beth Melton" wrote in message .. . Are you saying you still see a paragraph mark in the header/footer? If so, select the paragraph mark you see and press delete. Make sure you select the paragraph mark and press Delete instead of clicking in the header/footer and pressing Backspace. If it doesn't disappear then what version of Word are you using? I recall this was an issue at one time but I don't recall which version. (Word 200 I think) I also recall Suzanne Barnhill had a workaround of showing/hiding text boundaries that sometimes removed the empty paragraph mark. Maybe that will work for you? You can find Text Boundaries under Tools/Options/View. You need to turn them on, click OK, then return to the dialog box and turn them off again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "sister_in_aa" wrote in message ... I opened a saved document to use it in another and took the footers out but now the empty footer is still there. How do I delete empty headers and footers? |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
I thought they fixed it in Word 2002. Or do I have it reversed? You could
remove it prior to Word 2002? (I'm pretty sure you could delete it in Word 2000.) I recall in one of the versions you had to select the paragraph mark and press Delete or it wouldn't be deleted. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... From Word 97 (IIRC) on, once you have any text in the header/footer, there is NO way to remove the empty paragraph. "Beth Melton" wrote in message .. . Are you saying you still see a paragraph mark in the header/footer? If so, select the paragraph mark you see and press delete. Make sure you select the paragraph mark and press Delete instead of clicking in the header/footer and pressing Backspace. If it doesn't disappear then what version of Word are you using? I recall this was an issue at one time but I don't recall which version. (Word 200 I think) I also recall Suzanne Barnhill had a workaround of showing/hiding text boundaries that sometimes removed the empty paragraph mark. Maybe that will work for you? You can find Text Boundaries under Tools/Options/View. You need to turn them on, click OK, then return to the dialog box and turn them off again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "sister_in_aa" wrote in message ... I opened a saved document to use it in another and took the footers out but now the empty footer is still there. How do I delete empty headers and footers? |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Maybe it was from 2002 on. But it's certainly the case in Word 2003. If you
ever even touch the header, you're sunk. I made the mistake of just opening the header in one of my templates to change the tab stops (because I'd changed the margins) and now I have an indelible empty paragraph. Next time I'll use Format | Style to modify the Header style instead of accessing it directly. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I thought they fixed it in Word 2002. Or do I have it reversed? You could remove it prior to Word 2002? (I'm pretty sure you could delete it in Word 2000.) I recall in one of the versions you had to select the paragraph mark and press Delete or it wouldn't be deleted. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... From Word 97 (IIRC) on, once you have any text in the header/footer, there is NO way to remove the empty paragraph. "Beth Melton" wrote in message .. . Are you saying you still see a paragraph mark in the header/footer? If so, select the paragraph mark you see and press delete. Make sure you select the paragraph mark and press Delete instead of clicking in the header/footer and pressing Backspace. If it doesn't disappear then what version of Word are you using? I recall this was an issue at one time but I don't recall which version. (Word 200 I think) I also recall Suzanne Barnhill had a workaround of showing/hiding text boundaries that sometimes removed the empty paragraph mark. Maybe that will work for you? You can find Text Boundaries under Tools/Options/View. You need to turn them on, click OK, then return to the dialog box and turn them off again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "sister_in_aa" wrote in message ... I opened a saved document to use it in another and took the footers out but now the empty footer is still there. How do I delete empty headers and footers? |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Thankfully this no longer occurs in Word 2007. I think they finally got it
right. grin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Maybe it was from 2002 on. But it's certainly the case in Word 2003. If you ever even touch the header, you're sunk. I made the mistake of just opening the header in one of my templates to change the tab stops (because I'd changed the margins) and now I have an indelible empty paragraph. Next time I'll use Format | Style to modify the Header style instead of accessing it directly. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I thought they fixed it in Word 2002. Or do I have it reversed? You could remove it prior to Word 2002? (I'm pretty sure you could delete it in Word 2000.) I recall in one of the versions you had to select the paragraph mark and press Delete or it wouldn't be deleted. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... From Word 97 (IIRC) on, once you have any text in the header/footer, there is NO way to remove the empty paragraph. |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
I wonder what would happen if you opened the template in Word 2007, made a
change and saved it, and then opened it back up in Word 2003. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I made the mistake of just opening the header in one of my templates to change the tab stops (because I'd changed the margins) and now I have an indelible empty paragraph. |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
I shudder to think.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I wonder what would happen if you opened the template in Word 2007, made a change and saved it, and then opened it back up in Word 2003. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I made the mistake of just opening the header in one of my templates to change the tab stops (because I'd changed the margins) and now I have an indelible empty paragraph. |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Hi Suzanne & Beth
FWIW - http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...627091033.aspx  Wasn't one of the old workarounds to put a minus sign in front of the top margin value in File=Page Setup? ============ "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Maybe it was from 2002 on. But it's certainly the case in Word 2003. If you ever even touch the header, you're sunk. I made the mistake of just opening the header in one of my templates to change the tab stops (because I'd changed the margins) and now I have an indelible empty paragraph. Next time I'll use Format | Style to modify the Header style instead of accessing it directly. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Not exactly; that does something different (and very mysterious), which ISTR
running across when working on http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...apeSection.htm (though it doesn't seem to appear there). I believe it constrains the top margin to a specific setting regardless of what the header does. In the case of my template, having a header paragraph is not really an issue most of the time, as I rarely have a top margin smaller than 0.5", and I often do have header text in the document, anyway. It's just annoying because any document or template based on the template will have an indelible empty paragraph in the header. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Suzanne & Beth FWIW - http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...627091033.aspx Wasn't one of the old workarounds to put a minus sign in front of the top margin value in File=Page Setup? ============ "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Maybe it was from 2002 on. But it's certainly the case in Word 2003. If you ever even touch the header, you're sunk. I made the mistake of just opening the header in one of my templates to change the tab stops (because I'd changed the margins) and now I have an indelible empty paragraph. Next time I'll use Format | Style to modify the Header style instead of accessing it directly. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Hi Suzanne,
If the demo in that link is correct the empty paragraph then Word ignores the empty paragraph. Hmmm. Word 2007 also has the empty paragraph once the header is accessed. ============ "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Not exactly; that does something different (and very mysterious), which ISTR running across when working on http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...apeSection.htm (though it doesn't seem to appear there). I believe it constrains the top margin to a specific setting regardless of what the header does. In the case of my template, having a header paragraph is not really an issue most of the time, as I rarely have a top margin smaller than 0.5", and I often do have header text in the document, anyway. It's just annoying because any document or template based on the template will have an indelible empty paragraph in the header. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Oh, go for it! Make a copy and see what happens. :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I shudder to think. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I wonder what would happen if you opened the template in Word 2007, made a change and saved it, and then opened it back up in Word 2003. |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
I saw the empty paragraph removed in the demo and it's removed in Word 2007
if you delete the header/footer or leave it empty. Perhaps I need to clarify what I mean by removing the paragraph mark. I'm talking about removing the view of the empty paragraph mark when you close the header/footer. IOW, when I access the header/footer in word 2007 I see a paragraph mark, which I expect to see since I plan on adding text, but if I close the header/footer without adding anything it disappears. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Melton What is a Microsoft MVP? http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs Guides for the Office 2007 Interface: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Suzanne, If the demo in that link is correct the empty paragraph then Word ignores the empty paragraph. Hmmm. Word 2007 also has the empty paragraph once the header is accessed. |
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How do I delete empty headers and footers?
Hi Beth,
I figured that was what you meant. If I delete the header in Word 2007 and open the .docx package the header footer trio file sets no longer exist: header1.xml (Even page header), header2.xml (Regular/Odd) or header3.xml (Different 1st page) FWIW, as far as visibility I get the same behavior in Word 2003, and if I use Save as XML the w:hdr elements of w:type="even", w:type="odd" and w:type="first" are also gone if I've deleted the header content. Then occasionally I'll find that I've left behind in a template an even page or different first page header that comes back g that I forgot about once I did a Ctrl+A to delete the body content before saving g but if I delete those I no longer see the paragraph mark from the deleted header when returning to the document from those. ========== "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I saw the empty paragraph removed in the demo and it's removed in Word 2007 if you delete the header/footer or leave it empty. Perhaps I need to clarify what I mean by removing the paragraph mark. I'm talking about removing the view of the empty paragraph mark when you close the header/footer. IOW, when I access the header/footer in word 2007 I see a paragraph mark, which I expect to see since I plan on adding text, but if I close the header/footer without adding anything it disappears. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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