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Page Layout Confusion - HELP!
I'm having a difficult time setting up columns in Word 2003.
This is the layout: I have 2 pages - I'm starting on page 2 first. Page one has one header and page two has a different header. So, on page 2, I have a header and then I have to layout 2 columns below that header. Each column is a table. I want to be able to have different row heights in each column. How can this be done? I inserted 2 columns and when I try to change the row height in the column to the left, it changes in the column to the right also. HELP! |
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Hi Karen -
I'm sure the help you want is available, but we need to clear up a few misconceptions & get a clearer picture of your intended result first. Please see the interjections below: "Karen" wrote in message ... I'm having a difficult time setting up columns in Word 2003. This is the layout: The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I have 2 pages - I'm starting on page 2 first. This is an example of what I mean - word processing software deal with a matter of text flow from beginning to end. If you try to start at the end or in the middle you're working "against the grain" as the expresion goes - or contrary to the nature of the program. Page one has one header and page two has a different header. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*?... They're 2 separate & distinct components of a document. So, on page 2, I have a header and then I have to layout 2 columns below that header. Each column is a table. I want to be able to have different row heights in each column. How can this be done? As you're finding out, it can't be done... at least not easily. As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height. IOW, height is a property of a row, not of an individual cell. (That isn't _entirely_ true now that we're "blessed" with the Tables & Borders tools as well as merging & splitting cells, but those things can get you into a serious bind.) I inserted 2 columns and when I try to change the row height in the column to the left, it changes in the column to the right also. Correct, as explained above. You may be able to use 2 tables of one column each side-by-side - it depends on some of the other information requested. HELP! Please post back as noted at the beginning of this reply & we'll try to do exactly that. Keep in mind that you may want to consider using a different program, but that's dependent on the details you're able to furnish. Also, how long do you expect the finished doc to be? -- Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac |
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Thank you for offering to help - Sorry about the poor explanation.
To answer your questions and comment on your statements. The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I was just using "layout" as a general term. I really need to be using Quark or InDesign for this. I do not have these programs at work. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*? I'm talking about headers. I have one header on the first page and another header on the second. "As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height." I actually want two separate tables - just side by side. Isn't there a break I can use that with separate the tables so the row heights can differ? There's actually a good reason I started the second page first. I need to finish this document ASAP. Someone hasn't finalized the changes to page one yet. Therefore, I thought that I would start on page two to expedite matters. Thank you again, Karen "CyberTaz" wrote: Hi Karen - I'm sure the help you want is available, but we need to clear up a few misconceptions & get a clearer picture of your intended result first. Please see the interjections below: "Karen" wrote in message ... I'm having a difficult time setting up columns in Word 2003. This is the layout: The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I have 2 pages - I'm starting on page 2 first. This is an example of what I mean - word processing software deal with a matter of text flow from beginning to end. If you try to start at the end or in the middle you're working "against the grain" as the expresion goes - or contrary to the nature of the program. Page one has one header and page two has a different header. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*?... They're 2 separate & distinct components of a document. So, on page 2, I have a header and then I have to layout 2 columns below that header. Each column is a table. I want to be able to have different row heights in each column. How can this be done? As you're finding out, it can't be done... at least not easily. As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height. IOW, height is a property of a row, not of an individual cell. (That isn't _entirely_ true now that we're "blessed" with the Tables & Borders tools as well as merging & splitting cells, but those things can get you into a serious bind.) I inserted 2 columns and when I try to change the row height in the column to the left, it changes in the column to the right also. Correct, as explained above. You may be able to use 2 tables of one column each side-by-side - it depends on some of the other information requested. HELP! Please post back as noted at the beginning of this reply & we'll try to do exactly that. Keep in mind that you may want to consider using a different program, but that's dependent on the details you're able to furnish. Also, how long do you expect the finished doc to be? -- Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac |
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Thanks for a better understanding of the situation.
Does your employer have MS Publisher? Not as sophisticated as QX or Indy, but would facilitate this type of task... especially if your're already familiar with page layout concepts. It's a rather easy program to learn quickly. If you have to proceed in Word, IMO, you'd be best to create 2 separate 1-column tables, adjust their respective widths & position them side-by-side. That will provide the independent row height you're looking for. You can Split a table between rows, but not between columns. If you've already created the 2-column table & it has content, you can select & cut one of the columns. Then paste into a different para (so it doesn't rejoin the original table) and arrange from there. I would think you'd be OK from there as long as the content you eventually add to page 1 doesn't flow beyond that page and the tables don't run on to yet a 3rd. -- HTH |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac "Karen" wrote in message ... Thank you for offering to help - Sorry about the poor explanation. To answer your questions and comment on your statements. The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I was just using "layout" as a general term. I really need to be using Quark or InDesign for this. I do not have these programs at work. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*? I'm talking about headers. I have one header on the first page and another header on the second. "As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height." I actually want two separate tables - just side by side. Isn't there a break I can use that with separate the tables so the row heights can differ? There's actually a good reason I started the second page first. I need to finish this document ASAP. Someone hasn't finalized the changes to page one yet. Therefore, I thought that I would start on page two to expedite matters. Thank you again, Karen "CyberTaz" wrote: Hi Karen - I'm sure the help you want is available, but we need to clear up a few misconceptions & get a clearer picture of your intended result first. Please see the interjections below: "Karen" wrote in message ... I'm having a difficult time setting up columns in Word 2003. This is the layout: The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I have 2 pages - I'm starting on page 2 first. This is an example of what I mean - word processing software deal with a matter of text flow from beginning to end. If you try to start at the end or in the middle you're working "against the grain" as the expresion goes - or contrary to the nature of the program. Page one has one header and page two has a different header. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*?... They're 2 separate & distinct components of a document. So, on page 2, I have a header and then I have to layout 2 columns below that header. Each column is a table. I want to be able to have different row heights in each column. How can this be done? As you're finding out, it can't be done... at least not easily. As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height. IOW, height is a property of a row, not of an individual cell. (That isn't _entirely_ true now that we're "blessed" with the Tables & Borders tools as well as merging & splitting cells, but those things can get you into a serious bind.) I inserted 2 columns and when I try to change the row height in the column to the left, it changes in the column to the right also. Correct, as explained above. You may be able to use 2 tables of one column each side-by-side - it depends on some of the other information requested. HELP! Please post back as noted at the beginning of this reply & we'll try to do exactly that. Keep in mind that you may want to consider using a different program, but that's dependent on the details you're able to furnish. Also, how long do you expect the finished doc to be? -- Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac |
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Thank you again for your help - You are VERY helpful.
What do you mean by: Then paste into a different para (so it doesn't rejoin the original table) Karen "CyberTaz" wrote: Thanks for a better understanding of the situation. Does your employer have MS Publisher? Not as sophisticated as QX or Indy, but would facilitate this type of task... especially if your're already familiar with page layout concepts. It's a rather easy program to learn quickly. If you have to proceed in Word, IMO, you'd be best to create 2 separate 1-column tables, adjust their respective widths & position them side-by-side. That will provide the independent row height you're looking for. You can Split a table between rows, but not between columns. If you've already created the 2-column table & it has content, you can select & cut one of the columns. Then paste into a different para (so it doesn't rejoin the original table) and arrange from there. I would think you'd be OK from there as long as the content you eventually add to page 1 doesn't flow beyond that page and the tables don't run on to yet a 3rd. -- HTH |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac "Karen" wrote in message ... Thank you for offering to help - Sorry about the poor explanation. To answer your questions and comment on your statements. The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I was just using "layout" as a general term. I really need to be using Quark or InDesign for this. I do not have these programs at work. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*? I'm talking about headers. I have one header on the first page and another header on the second. "As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height." I actually want two separate tables - just side by side. Isn't there a break I can use that with separate the tables so the row heights can differ? There's actually a good reason I started the second page first. I need to finish this document ASAP. Someone hasn't finalized the changes to page one yet. Therefore, I thought that I would start on page two to expedite matters. Thank you again, Karen "CyberTaz" wrote: Hi Karen - I'm sure the help you want is available, but we need to clear up a few misconceptions & get a clearer picture of your intended result first. Please see the interjections below: "Karen" wrote in message ... I'm having a difficult time setting up columns in Word 2003. This is the layout: The key word "layout" is part of why you're having a difficult time. Word isn't a layout program, it's a word processing program. I have 2 pages - I'm starting on page 2 first. This is an example of what I mean - word processing software deal with a matter of text flow from beginning to end. If you try to start at the end or in the middle you're working "against the grain" as the expresion goes - or contrary to the nature of the program. Page one has one header and page two has a different header. Are we actually talking about *Headers* (as in ViewHeader/Footer) or are we talking about *headings*?... They're 2 separate & distinct components of a document. So, on page 2, I have a header and then I have to layout 2 columns below that header. Each column is a table. I want to be able to have different row heights in each column. How can this be done? As you're finding out, it can't be done... at least not easily. As long as both columns are part of the same table each cell in any row of that table will be the same height. IOW, height is a property of a row, not of an individual cell. (That isn't _entirely_ true now that we're "blessed" with the Tables & Borders tools as well as merging & splitting cells, but those things can get you into a serious bind.) I inserted 2 columns and when I try to change the row height in the column to the left, it changes in the column to the right also. Correct, as explained above. You may be able to use 2 tables of one column each side-by-side - it depends on some of the other information requested. HELP! Please post back as noted at the beginning of this reply & we'll try to do exactly that. Keep in mind that you may want to consider using a different program, but that's dependent on the details you're able to furnish. Also, how long do you expect the finished doc to be? -- Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac |
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