[Jack]

When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date. Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear. There was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct format....but this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

[Yves Dhondt]

"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear. There
was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...ions-1011.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...om-styles.aspx

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com . It uses a conditional language on top of XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT, a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

[Jack]

Don't know how you came to the conclusion "I am abusing existing styles". I
am using the styles that came with word 2007 and have not altered them.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:


"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear. There
was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...ions-1011.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...om-styles.aspx

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com . It uses a conditional language on top of XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT, a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

[Jack]

I have also examined the actual xml source and find no difference between the
bib entries for those display author, date and title and those which display
on author and date.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:


"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear. There
was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...ions-1011.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...om-styles.aspx

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com . It uses a conditional language on top of XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT, a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

[Yves Dhondt]

I used the word "abusing" to point out that you are trying to use the
existing styles to display something the styles aren't designed for.

None of the styles that come with Word show Author, Title, and Year by
default for in-text citations. Some show the title if there are multiple
works by the same author in the same year though.

The "suppress"-dialog is a bit misleading in its name. The flags only have
meaning if the data is actually displayed by the formatting algorithm.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

"jack" wrote in message
...
Don't know how you came to the conclusion "I am abusing existing styles".
I
am using the styles that came with word 2007 and have not altered them.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:


"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to
His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear.
There
was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct
format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I
do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are
using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style
from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are
very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...ions-1011.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...om-styles.aspx

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com . It uses a conditional language on top of
XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT,
a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

[Jack]

!Ah So I think you have solved the riddle. Indeed there are multiple titles
where the citation is including title, date and author.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:

I used the word "abusing" to point out that you are trying to use the
existing styles to display something the styles aren't designed for.

None of the styles that come with Word show Author, Title, and Year by
default for in-text citations. Some show the title if there are multiple
works by the same author in the same year though.

The "suppress"-dialog is a bit misleading in its name. The flags only have
meaning if the data is actually displayed by the formatting algorithm.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

"jack" wrote in message
...
Don't know how you came to the conclusion "I am abusing existing styles".
I
am using the styles that came with word 2007 and have not altered them.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:


"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to
His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear.
There
was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct
format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I
do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are
using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style
from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are
very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...ions-1011.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...om-styles.aspx

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com . It uses a conditional language on top of
XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT,
a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com

[Jack]

With Yves help here's a tip. If you want your citations to display author,
title and date (which apparently is not according to etiquette, but
nonetheless it's what I wanted), then create an additional entry in the
bibliography source with the same author name. Leave everything else blank in
the biliography source. Now when inserting citation author, date and title
will display. No need to worry about extras appearing in the bibliography as
they don't display there....apparently because the source contains nothing
but author.

[grammatim[_2_]]

On May 31, 6:00*pm, "Yves Dhondt" wrote:
I used the word "abusing" to point out that you are trying to use the
existing styles to display something the styles aren't designed for.

None of the styles that come with Word show Author, Title, and Year by
default for in-text citations. Some show the title if there are multiple
works by the same author in the same year though.

"Chicago" shows the title if there are multiple works by the same
author, no matter what year. (This is absolutely wrong.) The system
generally does not recognize an author as "the same" if the author is
entered in one reference directly in the Author box and in another in
the Edit Author box.

The "suppress"-dialog is a bit misleading in its name. The flags only have
meaning if the data is actually displayed by the formatting algorithm.

Yves
--http://bibword.codeplex.com

"jack" wrote in message

...



Don't know how you came to the conclusion "I am abusing existing styles".
I
am using the styles that came with word 2007 and have not altered them.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:

"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to
His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear.
There
was
only one insert of citation *- I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct
format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. *Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I
do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are
using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style
from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are
very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...7/12/14/biblio....
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...9/04/29/biblio....

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com. It uses a conditional language on top of
XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT,
a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

[Jack]

While the formatting and updating facility microsoft provides for bib is
great the actual use of the entire feature in my opinion is awful to put it
mildly. Zoter though isn't any better it seems to require firefox which is a
browser I've given up on and Yves bibword is an tangle as far as I'm
concerned.

"grammatim" wrote:

On May 31, 6:00 pm, "Yves Dhondt" wrote:
I used the word "abusing" to point out that you are trying to use the
existing styles to display something the styles aren't designed for.

None of the styles that come with Word show Author, Title, and Year by
default for in-text citations. Some show the title if there are multiple
works by the same author in the same year though.

"Chicago" shows the title if there are multiple works by the same
author, no matter what year. (This is absolutely wrong.) The system
generally does not recognize an author as "the same" if the author is
entered in one reference directly in the Author box and in another in
the Edit Author box.

The "suppress"-dialog is a bit misleading in its name. The flags only have
meaning if the data is actually displayed by the formatting algorithm.

Yves
--http://bibword.codeplex.com

"jack" wrote in message

...



Don't know how you came to the conclusion "I am abusing existing styles".
I
am using the styles that came with word 2007 and have not altered them.

"Yves Dhondt" wrote:

"jack" wrote in message
...
When inserting a citation some will have the author, title and date.
Others
have only the author and date. i.e. (Gurdjieff, Beelzebub's Tales to
His
Grandson 1950) is one such citation as I would like it to appear.
There
was
only one insert of citation - I am aware that it is possible to insert
multiple citation in one place in order to get the correct
format....but
this
is extemely awkward to say the least. Other citation inserts do not
include
all the info i. e. (Ouspensky 1949). I can get the title to appear if I
do
another insertion into the same spot and suppress the author and date.

This is because you are "abusing" existing styles. The styles you are
using
are not showing author, title, and date by design.

You have to find a style somewhere that does, or create your own style
from
scratch. You can edit the existing styles if your required changes are
very
minimal, otherwise I would strongly advise against it as the existing
stylesheets are rather complex.

Creating your own style requires XSLT knowledge. For some guidance by
Microsoft see:
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...7/12/14/biblio....
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_offi...9/04/29/biblio....

Alternatively, you can check out a little project I manage at
http://bibword.codeplex.com. It uses a conditional language on top of
XSLT
to allow for faster creation of new styles. You don't need to know XSLT,
a
basic knowledge of tags is enough to create your own style.

Yves
--
http://bibword.codeplex.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -