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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
Ken: Word uses tables to set up labels (all that I've ever seen, at least).
The tables borders are likely outside the printable area. Tables, by default, have almost a tenth-inch top and left margin on the cells, so while the table cells might be outside that printable area, your data may not be, and probably isn't. Except for the annoyance of it, I would ignore it. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:08:52 -0400, "Anne Troy"
wrote: "Kenneth" wrote in message .. . Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." Ken: Word uses tables to set up labels (all that I've ever seen, at least). The tables borders are likely outside the printable area. Tables, by default, have almost a tenth-inch top and left margin on the cells, so while the table cells might be outside that printable area, your data may not be, and probably isn't. Except for the annoyance of it, I would ignore it. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com Hi Anne, I appreciate your comments, but they do not apply to my situation: I do not use Word tables for my labels. Instead, I have a Word Template that reflects the label size that I need. Occasionally, I open a DOC based on that template, manually type in the necessary text, and print a single label. More typically, I print labels from my database. I click on an address for which I need a label, and it dumps the data to a file, launches Word, does a merge, and prints the label(s) I need. This all worked like a charm until I had to revert to an earlier Registry hive (don't ask...G) and now, for some reason, I have the margin-printable area problem I described. Thanks again, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Ken: If you used a template that CAME with Word, then I assure you that the
odds are 99% that it was created using tables. Go to Table--Show gridlines. Having the driver for the printer doesn't guarantee "non-printable areas". Virtually all printers have non-printable areas. See: http://www.officearticles.com/word/t...osoft_word.htm Perhaps that will shed some light. I don't know. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com "Kenneth" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:08:52 -0400, "Anne Troy" wrote: "Kenneth" wrote in message . .. Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." Ken: Word uses tables to set up labels (all that I've ever seen, at least). The tables borders are likely outside the printable area. Tables, by default, have almost a tenth-inch top and left margin on the cells, so while the table cells might be outside that printable area, your data may not be, and probably isn't. Except for the annoyance of it, I would ignore it. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com Hi Anne, I appreciate your comments, but they do not apply to my situation: I do not use Word tables for my labels. Instead, I have a Word Template that reflects the label size that I need. Occasionally, I open a DOC based on that template, manually type in the necessary text, and print a single label. More typically, I print labels from my database. I click on an address for which I need a label, and it dumps the data to a file, launches Word, does a merge, and prints the label(s) I need. This all worked like a charm until I had to revert to an earlier Registry hive (don't ask...G) and now, for some reason, I have the margin-printable area problem I described. Thanks again, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:33:33 -0400, "Anne Troy"
wrote: "Kenneth" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:08:52 -0400, "Anne Troy" wrote: "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." Ken: Word uses tables to set up labels (all that I've ever seen, at least). The tables borders are likely outside the printable area. Tables, by default, have almost a tenth-inch top and left margin on the cells, so while the table cells might be outside that printable area, your data may not be, and probably isn't. Except for the annoyance of it, I would ignore it. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com Hi Anne, I appreciate your comments, but they do not apply to my situation: I do not use Word tables for my labels. Instead, I have a Word Template that reflects the label size that I need. Occasionally, I open a DOC based on that template, manually type in the necessary text, and print a single label. More typically, I print labels from my database. I click on an address for which I need a label, and it dumps the data to a file, launches Word, does a merge, and prints the label(s) I need. This all worked like a charm until I had to revert to an earlier Registry hive (don't ask...G) and now, for some reason, I have the margin-printable area problem I described. Thanks again, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." Ken: If you used a template that CAME with Word, then I assure you that the odds are 99% that it was created using tables. Go to Table--Show gridlines. Having the driver for the printer doesn't guarantee "non-printable areas". Virtually all printers have non-printable areas. See: http://www.officearticles.com/word/t...osoft_word.htm Perhaps that will shed some light. I don't know. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com Hi Anne, I did not start with an existing Word Template. I created the one I use, from scratch. There are no tables involved in this issue. Really...g I am confused by your comment that "Having the driver for the printer doesn't guarantee "non-printable areas". Virtually all printers have non-printable areas." because I am not suggesting that there is no non-printable area because I "have" the driver for the printer. Of course I have the driver for the printer. Without that, I could not use the printer. The driver I have allows me to set the label to have no non-printable area. It would not allow me to use that setting were I attempting to apply it to letter size paper.. So, (and of course I may be wrong) I understand that (except at the maximum size allowed by the printer) the issue of non-printable area depends not on the characteristics of the printer (hardware) but rather on the characteristics of the driver (software.) So, suppose for example, that we are talking about a printer that can handle at maximum a standard letter size sheet. It is most unlikely (as you have correctly described) that one could print right up to the edges of the paper. But, suppose using that printer's driver, we were to create a new form that was just 4" by 4" centered on the letter sized sheet. We most certainly could set that form to zero non-printable area because by doing so, we are not bumping up against the inability of the printer to print to the edges of the larger sheet we started with. That is the situation I am in: My printer can handle (at the maximum) sheets that are letter size, but the labels I use with the printer are 4" wide and 2" high. I can definitely print to the edges of the labels (and far beyond if I cared to.) My problem is that I cannot get Word to believe that. I do thank you for the link you provided, and will certainly read it. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:04:05 -0400, Kenneth
wrote: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:33:33 -0400, "Anne Troy" wrote: SNIP Hi again Anne, I just read the piece you suggested, but, for the reasons I have described, it does not apply to my situation. Thanks again, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
The unprintable area is determined at least in part by paper-handling
issues, not just the range of the print head. So even though the printer can demonstrably print in the area occupied by your label, Word still assumes that the printer requires some area at the top, sides, and bottom, to grip the paper as it goes through the printer. Unless your label is actually centered in a larger sheet of paper, then this may be the issue involved. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Kenneth" wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:33:33 -0400, "Anne Troy" wrote: "Kenneth" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:08:52 -0400, "Anne Troy" wrote: "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." Ken: Word uses tables to set up labels (all that I've ever seen, at least). The tables borders are likely outside the printable area. Tables, by default, have almost a tenth-inch top and left margin on the cells, so while the table cells might be outside that printable area, your data may not be, and probably isn't. Except for the annoyance of it, I would ignore it. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com Hi Anne, I appreciate your comments, but they do not apply to my situation: I do not use Word tables for my labels. Instead, I have a Word Template that reflects the label size that I need. Occasionally, I open a DOC based on that template, manually type in the necessary text, and print a single label. More typically, I print labels from my database. I click on an address for which I need a label, and it dumps the data to a file, launches Word, does a merge, and prints the label(s) I need. This all worked like a charm until I had to revert to an earlier Registry hive (don't ask...G) and now, for some reason, I have the margin-printable area problem I described. Thanks again, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." Ken: If you used a template that CAME with Word, then I assure you that the odds are 99% that it was created using tables. Go to Table--Show gridlines. Having the driver for the printer doesn't guarantee "non-printable areas". Virtually all printers have non-printable areas. See: http://www.officearticles.com/word/t...es_in_microsof t_word.htm Perhaps that will shed some light. I don't know. ************ Anne Troy www.OfficeArticles.com Hi Anne, I did not start with an existing Word Template. I created the one I use, from scratch. There are no tables involved in this issue. Really...g I am confused by your comment that "Having the driver for the printer doesn't guarantee "non-printable areas". Virtually all printers have non-printable areas." because I am not suggesting that there is no non-printable area because I "have" the driver for the printer. Of course I have the driver for the printer. Without that, I could not use the printer. The driver I have allows me to set the label to have no non-printable area. It would not allow me to use that setting were I attempting to apply it to letter size paper.. So, (and of course I may be wrong) I understand that (except at the maximum size allowed by the printer) the issue of non-printable area depends not on the characteristics of the printer (hardware) but rather on the characteristics of the driver (software.) So, suppose for example, that we are talking about a printer that can handle at maximum a standard letter size sheet. It is most unlikely (as you have correctly described) that one could print right up to the edges of the paper. But, suppose using that printer's driver, we were to create a new form that was just 4" by 4" centered on the letter sized sheet. We most certainly could set that form to zero non-printable area because by doing so, we are not bumping up against the inability of the printer to print to the edges of the larger sheet we started with. That is the situation I am in: My printer can handle (at the maximum) sheets that are letter size, but the labels I use with the printer are 4" wide and 2" high. I can definitely print to the edges of the labels (and far beyond if I cared to.) My problem is that I cannot get Word to believe that. I do thank you for the link you provided, and will certainly read it. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
Word gets the information about printable area from the printer driver.
There are very few printers that allow printing to the edge of the paper so if that is what you have set the margins to achieve that is the cause of the error. Word will only use what the current printer driver will allow. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Kenneth wrote: Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, |
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:43:44 +0300, "Graham Mayor"
wrote: Word gets the information about printable area from the printer driver. There are very few printers that allow printing to the edge of the paper so if that is what you have set the margins to achieve that is the cause of the error. Word will only use what the current printer driver will allow. Hi Graham, As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the printer will allow me to print 11" wide, and any length I wish. So, for my 4' x 2" custom label form, it will, indeed, allow me to print to the edges. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
Priinter drivers don't normally allow you to make settings about their
capacity to print - they have the details built in and that is where Word gets its information. If you printer is really full-bleed capable and you have the correct driver you shouldn't see the warning. That said, it _is_ only a warning and if you override it you should get the printing you desire - if you don't, I think it is a printer or printer driver issue, not a Word one. -- Enjoy, Tony "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Howdy, I use Word 2000 to print labels to an OKI pin printer. I am getting the error: "The margins of section 1 are set outside the printable area of the page..." I understand what that error means, but am baffled still: I have the driver for the printer set so that there is NO non-printable area. That is, it is set to allow every part of the label to receive text. Given that, where is Word getting the information about non-printable area, and how can I tell it to use the proper data so that the errors will be suppressed? Very sincere thanks, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Weird Margin hassles with Word 2000...?
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:48:46 +0100, "Tony Jollans" No Mail
wrote: Priinter drivers don't normally allow you to make settings about their capacity to print - they have the details built in and that is where Word gets its information. If you printer is really full-bleed capable and you have the correct driver you shouldn't see the warning. That said, it _is_ only a warning and if you override it you should get the printing you desire - if you don't, I think it is a printer or printer driver issue, not a Word one. Ho Tony, I am very appreciative of the comments you and others have offered, and think that I have this working properly again. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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