[Dean]

Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that have no activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost - that is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had any updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed files (same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect what I did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves. This
setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open unattended.
If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic updates (Control Panel |
Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down any
running programs (without saving open files) in order to restart the
computer when necessary after installing updates. If you have any control
over the process, you would be wise to set Automatic Updates to notify
instead; this gives you control of the process: you can decide when (or
whether) to download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is the
place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should be
rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary
background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere
yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update
daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word was
closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the changes I
had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every 10
minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day, my
files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think they
showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them by
themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes later,
and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate
whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Bill Ridgeway]

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of
"background" saves To take this one step further background saves allow
other 'work' to take priority over saving so that it is not slowed down by
the process of saving. This is especially useful for slow or under
resourced computers. Creating a backup copy (which I think is what you
want) ToolsOptionsSaveAlways create a backup copy creates a backup
file every time the file is saved. You could also auto save a file every
'n' minutes ToolsOptionsSaveSave auto recovery info every and the
time interval.

Regards.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves. This
setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open unattended.
If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic updates (Control Panel
|
Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down any
running programs (without saving open files) in order to restart the
computer when necessary after installing updates. If you have any control
over the process, you would be wise to set Automatic Updates to notify
instead; this gives you control of the process: you can decide when (or
whether) to download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that have
no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is the
place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should be
rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary
background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost -
that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere
yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update
daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word was
closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the changes I
had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every 10
minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day, my
files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had
any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think they
showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed
files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them by
themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes later,
and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate
whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect what
I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Dean]

Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that it was
going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not there to tell it to
wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it Ok to let it automatically
download them but not install them without permission - or does it still
install them, in that mode, if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show up on a
search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves. This
setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open unattended.
If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic updates (Control Panel
|
Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down any
running programs (without saving open files) in order to restart the
computer when necessary after installing updates. If you have any control
over the process, you would be wise to set Automatic Updates to notify
instead; this gives you control of the process: you can decide when (or
whether) to download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that have
no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is the
place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should be
rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary
background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost -
that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere
yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update
daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word was
closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the changes I
had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every 10
minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day, my
files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had
any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think they
showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed
files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them by
themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes later,
and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate
whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect what
I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see “Description of how Word
creates temporary files” at http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It
won't help you at all; it just locks the document for editing by any other
user. If you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have any).

I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify, and it tells
me when updates are available. I can then choose to download them (as in
fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me again when they're ready to be
installed (I haven't gotten this notification yet--haven't yet figured out
why it takes longer to download updates over DSL, which is always on then it
did during the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose not to
install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps delays till
the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience with the Later
button wrt restarting after the install is that it keeps prompting again
every few minutes until you're ready to throw in the towel. I usually tell
it Later and then restart manually because my earlier experience with
saying, "Yes, restart my computer now" was that it went off into
Neverneverland and required a hard shutdown (turning off the power button)
to get out of the loop.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that it was
going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not there to tell it
to
wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it Ok to let it automatically
download them but not install them without permission - or does it still
install them, in that mode, if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show up on
a
search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves. This
setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended.
If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic updates (Control
Panel
|
Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down any
running programs (without saving open files) in order to restart the
computer when necessary after installing updates. If you have any
control
over the process, you would be wise to set Automatic Updates to notify
instead; this gives you control of the process: you can decide when (or
whether) to download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that
have
no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is
the
place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should
be
rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary
background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost -
that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere
yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update
daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word
was
closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the changes
I
had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every
10
minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day,
my
files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had
any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think they
showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed
files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them
by
themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes
later,
and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate
whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect
what
I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Dean]

Looks like I'm out of luck. I have put auto updates on manual.

Any idea what Bill Ridgeway was trying to tell me in this thread?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see “Description of how Word
creates temporary files” at http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It
won't help you at all; it just locks the document for editing by any other
user. If you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have any).

I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify, and it
tells
me when updates are available. I can then choose to download them (as in
fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me again when they're ready to be
installed (I haven't gotten this notification yet--haven't yet figured out
why it takes longer to download updates over DSL, which is always on then
it
did during the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get
the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose not to
install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps delays till
the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience with the Later
button wrt restarting after the install is that it keeps prompting again
every few minutes until you're ready to throw in the towel. I usually tell
it Later and then restart manually because my earlier experience with
saying, "Yes, restart my computer now" was that it went off into
Neverneverland and required a hard shutdown (turning off the power button)
to get out of the loop.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that it
was
going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not there to tell it
to
wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it Ok to let it automatically
download them but not install them without permission - or does it still
install them, in that mode, if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show up on
a
search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves. This
setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended.
If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic updates (Control
Panel
|
Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down any
running programs (without saving open files) in order to restart the
computer when necessary after installing updates. If you have any
control
over the process, you would be wise to set Automatic Updates to notify
instead; this gives you control of the process: you can decide when (or
whether) to download the updates, when (or whether) to install them,
and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that
have
no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is
the
place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should
be
rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary
background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost -
that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere
yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update
daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word
was
closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the
changes
I
had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every
10
minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day,
my
files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had
any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think
they
showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed
files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them
by
themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes
later,
and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate
whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect
what
I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Dean]

sorry, I missed the transition between her quote and your comments, Bill

Thanks much,
Dean

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of
"background" saves To take this one step further background saves allow
other 'work' to take priority over saving so that it is not slowed down by
the process of saving. This is especially useful for slow or under
resourced computers. Creating a backup copy (which I think is what you
want) ToolsOptionsSaveAlways create a backup copy creates a backup
file every time the file is saved. You could also auto save a file every
'n' minutes ToolsOptionsSaveSave auto recovery info every and the
time interval.

Regards.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves. This
setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended.
If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic updates (Control
Panel |
Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down any
running programs (without saving open files) in order to restart the
computer when necessary after installing updates. If you have any control
over the process, you would be wise to set Automatic Updates to notify
instead; this gives you control of the process: you can decide when (or
whether) to download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups that have
no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this is the
place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded and should
be
rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose what temporary
background-save fragments I need to recover what I seem to have lost -
that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted elsewhere
yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I update
daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came back, MS Word was
closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents had none of the changes
I
had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover every
10
minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in the last day, my
files (which I update and resave daily) showed up, but none of them had
any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think they
showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary hushed
files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open them
by
themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15 minutes later,
and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to integrate
whatever background saved files I have, in order to try to resurrect what
I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Graham Mayor]

Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will warn (by
means of that icon in the systray) that they are available and then you can
choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see “Description of how
Word creates temporary files” at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at all;
it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If you see
~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are created
every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have any).

I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify, and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to download
them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me again when
they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this notification
yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to download updates
over DSL, which is always on then it did during the few unused cycles
of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the notice till I click on the
icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose
not to install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps
delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience
with the Later button wrt restarting after the install is that it
keeps prompting again every few minutes until you're ready to throw
in the towel. I usually tell it Later and then restart manually
because my earlier experience with saying, "Yes, restart my computer
now" was that it went off into Neverneverland and required a hard
shutdown (turning off the power button) to get out of the loop.


"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that
it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not
there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install them
without permission - or does it still install them, in that mode, if
you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show
up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down
any running programs (without saving open files) in order to
restart the computer when necessary after installing updates. If
you have any control over the process, you would be wise to set
Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you control of the
process: you can decide when (or whether) to download the updates,
when (or whether) to install them, and when to restart the computer
after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this
is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded
and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose
what temporary background-save fragments I need to recover what I
seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents
had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover
every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in
the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed up,
but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think
they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary
hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open
them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15
minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try
to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I'm now totally confused, because I okayed download of at least half a dozen
updates, and this morning I was notified that ONE was ready to be installed.
I also got a notice about the August Malicious Software Removal Tool, which
I'd already okayed several days ago. Huh?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will warn
(by
means of that icon in the systray) that they are available and then you
can
choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see “Description of how
Word creates temporary files” at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at all;
it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If you see
~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are created
every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have any).

I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify, and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to download
them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me again when
they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this notification
yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to download updates
over DSL, which is always on then it did during the few unused cycles
of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the notice till I click on the
icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose
not to install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps
delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience
with the Later button wrt restarting after the install is that it
keeps prompting again every few minutes until you're ready to throw
in the towel. I usually tell it Later and then restart manually
because my earlier experience with saying, "Yes, restart my computer
now" was that it went off into Neverneverland and required a hard
shutdown (turning off the power button) to get out of the loop.


"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that
it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not
there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install them
without permission - or does it still install them, in that mode, if
you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show
up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down
any running programs (without saving open files) in order to
restart the computer when necessary after installing updates. If
you have any control over the process, you would be wise to set
Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you control of the
process: you can decide when (or whether) to download the updates,
when (or whether) to install them, and when to restart the computer
after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this
is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded
and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose
what temporary background-save fragments I need to recover what I
seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents
had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover
every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in
the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed up,
but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think
they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary
hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open
them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15
minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try
to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Dean]

Thanks, I will read that linked document soon. I guess if I had not
restarted WORD, I might have had a chance to find something - right?

Dean

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will warn
(by means of that icon in the systray) that they are available and then
you can choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see "Description of how
Word creates temporary files" at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at all;
it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If you see
~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are created
every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have any).

I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify, and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to download
them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me again when
they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this notification
yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to download updates
over DSL, which is always on then it did during the few unused cycles
of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the notice till I click on the
icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose
not to install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps
delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience
with the Later button wrt restarting after the install is that it
keeps prompting again every few minutes until you're ready to throw
in the towel. I usually tell it Later and then restart manually
because my earlier experience with saying, "Yes, restart my computer
now" was that it went off into Neverneverland and required a hard
shutdown (turning off the power button) to get out of the loop.


"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that
it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not
there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install them
without permission - or does it still install them, in that mode, if
you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show
up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down
any running programs (without saving open files) in order to
restart the computer when necessary after installing updates. If
you have any control over the process, you would be wise to set
Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you control of the
process: you can decide when (or whether) to download the updates,
when (or whether) to install them, and when to restart the computer
after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this
is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be overloaded
and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down, lest I lose
what temporary background-save fragments I need to recover what I
seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents
had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover
every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in
the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed up,
but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I think
they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the temporary
hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open
them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15
minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try
to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Graham Mayor]

I don't even check them any more. I install my updates from Technet when
someone else has found the bugs

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I'm now totally confused, because I okayed download of at least half
a dozen updates, and this morning I was notified that ONE was ready
to be installed. I also got a notice about the August Malicious
Software Removal Tool, which I'd already okayed several days ago. Huh?


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will
warn (by means of that icon in the systray) that they are available
and then you can choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see “Description of how
Word creates temporary files” at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at
all; it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If
you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have
any).

I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify, and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to
download them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me
again when they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this
notification yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to
download updates over DSL, which is always on then it did during
the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose
not to install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps
delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience
with the Later button wrt restarting after the install is that it
keeps prompting again every few minutes until you're ready to throw
in the towel. I usually tell it Later and then restart manually
because my earlier experience with saying, "Yes, restart my computer
now" was that it went off into Neverneverland and required a hard
shutdown (turning off the power button) to get out of the loop.


"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that
it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not
there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install them
without permission - or does it still install them, in that mode,
if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show
up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down
any running programs (without saving open files) in order to
restart the computer when necessary after installing updates. If
you have any control over the process, you would be wise to set
Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you control of the
process: you can decide when (or whether) to download the updates,
when (or whether) to install them, and when to restart the
computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this
is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be
overloaded and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down,
lest I lose what temporary background-save fragments I need to
recover what I seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents
had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover
every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in
the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed
up, but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I
think they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the
temporary hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open
them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15
minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try
to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Graham Mayor]

I thought we had decided it was the update tool that had closed Word? Your
better plan is to get into the habit of saving documents frequently. Press
CTRL+S every time you pause for breath - and have the backup option set in
tools options save.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Dean wrote:
Thanks, I will read that linked document soon. I guess if I had not
restarted WORD, I might have had a chance to find something - right?

Dean

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will
warn (by means of that icon in the systray) that they are available
and then you can choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see "Description of how
Word creates temporary files" at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at
all; it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If
you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have
any). I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify,
and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to
download them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me
again when they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this
notification yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to
download updates over DSL, which is always on then it did during
the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose
not to install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps
delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience
with the Later button wrt restarting after the install is that it
keeps prompting again every few minutes until you're ready to throw
in the towel. I usually tell it Later and then restart manually
because my earlier experience with saying, "Yes, restart my computer
now" was that it went off into Neverneverland and required a hard
shutdown (turning off the power button) to get out of the loop.


"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that
it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not
there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install them
without permission - or does it still install them, in that mode,
if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show
up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down
any running programs (without saving open files) in order to
restart the computer when necessary after installing updates. If
you have any control over the process, you would be wise to set
Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you control of the
process: you can decide when (or whether) to download the updates,
when (or whether) to install them, and when to restart the
computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this
is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be
overloaded and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down,
lest I lose what temporary background-save fragments I need to
recover what I seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents
had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover
every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in
the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed
up, but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I
think they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the
temporary hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open
them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15
minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try
to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Dean]

Well, that is what Suzanne assumed. Regardless, what I meant is that, if I
had looked for these files before re-opening WORD, perhaps I could have
found something?

Or is that wrong?


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I thought we had decided it was the update tool that had closed Word? Your
better plan is to get into the habit of saving documents frequently. Press
CTRL+S every time you pause for breath - and have the backup option set in
tools options save.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Dean wrote:
Thanks, I will read that linked document soon. I guess if I had not
restarted WORD, I might have had a chance to find something - right?

Dean

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will
warn (by means of that icon in the systray) that they are available
and then you can choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see "Description of how
Word creates temporary files" at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at
all; it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If
you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't have
any). I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set to notify,
and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to
download them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me
again when they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this
notification yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to
download updates over DSL, which is always on then it did during
the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can choose
not to install them, and I think there's a Later button that perhaps
delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about that. My experience
with the Later button wrt restarting after the install is that it
keeps prompting again every few minutes until you're ready to throw
in the towel. I usually tell it Later and then restart manually
because my earlier experience with saying, "Yes, restart my computer
now" was that it went off into Neverneverland and required a hard
shutdown (turning off the power button) to get out of the loop.


"Dean" wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me that
it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're not
there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install them
without permission - or does it still install them, in that mode,
if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that show
up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of any use?

Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut down
any running programs (without saving open files) in order to
restart the computer when necessary after installing updates. If
you have any control over the process, you would be wise to set
Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you control of the
process: you can decide when (or whether) to download the updates,
when (or whether) to install them, and when to restart the
computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like this
is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be
overloaded and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down,
lest I lose what temporary background-save fragments I need to
recover what I seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the documents
had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do autorecover
every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word docs modified in
the last day, my files (which I update and resave daily) showed
up, but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I
think they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the
temporary hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you open
them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search again, 15
minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to try
to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Graham Mayor]

Word doesn't close on its own, so Suzanne's submission was the most likely
explanation. If the application was shut down correctly, there would be no
crash condition, so playing with temporary files would not have helped.
Word's lock files do not contain a copy of the document.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Dean wrote:
Well, that is what Suzanne assumed. Regardless, what I meant is that,
if I had looked for these files before re-opening WORD, perhaps I
could have found something?

Or is that wrong?


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I thought we had decided it was the update tool that had closed
Word? Your better plan is to get into the habit of saving documents
frequently. Press CTRL+S every time you pause for breath - and have
the backup option set in tools options save.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Dean wrote:
Thanks, I will read that linked document soon. I guess if I had not
restarted WORD, I might have had a chance to find something - right?

Dean

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will
warn (by means of that icon in the systray) that they are available
and then you can choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see "Description of how
Word creates temporary files" at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at
all; it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If
you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't
have any). I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set
to notify, and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to
download them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me
again when they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this
notification yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to
download updates over DSL, which is always on then it did during
the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can
choose not to install them, and I think there's a Later button
that perhaps delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about
that. My experience with the Later button wrt restarting after
the install is that it keeps prompting again every few minutes
until you're ready to throw in the towel. I usually tell it Later
and then restart manually because my earlier experience with
saying, "Yes, restart my computer now" was that it went off into
Neverneverland and required a hard shutdown (turning off the
power button) to get out of the loop. "Dean"
wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me
that it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're
not there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is it
Ok to let it automatically download them but not install
them without permission - or does it still install them, in that
mode, if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that
show up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of
any use? Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut
down any running programs (without saving open files) in order
to restart the computer when necessary after installing
updates. If you have any control over the process, you would be
wise to set Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you
control of the process: you can decide when (or whether) to
download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like
this is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be
overloaded and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down,
lest I lose what temporary background-save fragments I need to
recover what I seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the
documents had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do
autorecover every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word
docs modified in the last day, my files (which I update and
resave daily) showed up, but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I
think they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the
temporary hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you
open them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search
again, 15 minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to
try to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean

[Dean]

thx all!

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word doesn't close on its own, so Suzanne's submission was the most likely
explanation. If the application was shut down correctly, there would be no
crash condition, so playing with temporary files would not have helped.
Word's lock files do not contain a copy of the document.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Dean wrote:
Well, that is what Suzanne assumed. Regardless, what I meant is that,
if I had looked for these files before re-opening WORD, perhaps I
could have found something?

Or is that wrong?


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
I thought we had decided it was the update tool that had closed
Word? Your better plan is to get into the habit of saving documents
frequently. Press CTRL+S every time you pause for breath - and have
the backup option set in tools options save.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Dean wrote:
Thanks, I will read that linked document soon. I guess if I had not
restarted WORD, I might have had a chance to find something - right?

Dean

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Word XP works in much the same way with respect to updates. It will
warn (by means of that icon in the systray) that they are available
and then you can choose whether to download them or not.

The OP may want to see
http://www.gmayor.com/what_to_do_when_word_crashes.htm also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The ~$lename.doc file is the "owner" file (see "Description of how
Word creates temporary files" at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). It won't help you at
all; it just locks the document for editing by any other user. If
you see ~$xxxwrl.tmp files, then they may be useful, as they are
created every time you save (but if you didn't save, you won't
have any). I have Windows (2000--it may be different in XP) set
to notify, and
it tells me when updates are available. I can then choose to
download them (as in fact I did yesterday), and then it tells me
again when they're ready to be installed (I haven't gotten this
notification yet--haven't yet figured out why it takes longer to
download updates over DSL, which is always on then it did during
the few unused cycles of dialup). In both cases, I don't get the
notice till I click on the icon in the Systray.

Once I've been notified that they're ready to install, I can
choose not to install them, and I think there's a Later button
that perhaps delays till the next day, but I'm not sure about
that. My experience with the Later button wrt restarting after
the install is that it keeps prompting again every few minutes
until you're ready to throw in the towel. I usually tell it Later
and then restart manually because my earlier experience with
saying, "Yes, restart my computer now" was that it went off into
Neverneverland and required a hard shutdown (turning off the
power button) to get out of the loop. "Dean"
wrote in message
...
Ouch, but thank you. I thought that windows usually warned me
that it was going to install the updates, but I guess, if you're
not there to tell it to wait, sooner or later, it goes forward. Is
it Ok to let it automatically download them but not install
them without permission - or does it still install them, in that
mode, if you are away from your computer too long?

What are these little hushed tilde (~filename.doc) things that
show up on a search, with more recent dates/times? Are they of
any use? Thanks!
Dean

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I fear you have misunderstood the purpose of "background" saves.
This setting is relevant only when you save manually. See
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/general/AutomaticSave.htm.

You have learned the folly of leaving an unsaved document open
unattended. If your computer is set to allow entirely automatic
updates (Control Panel

Automatic Updates), you have given Windows permission to shut
down any running programs (without saving open files) in order
to restart the computer when necessary after installing
updates. If you have any control over the process, you would be
wise to set Automatic Updates to notify instead; this gives you
control of the process: you can decide when (or whether) to
download the updates, when (or whether) to install them, and
when to restart the computer after installing.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Dean" wrote in message
...
Forgive me once more, as I have posted this on other newsgroups
that have no
activity whatsoever since earlier yesterday, so it looks like
this is the place to be seen! Even though my computer may be
overloaded and should be rebooted, I am afraid to shut it down,
lest I lose what temporary background-save fragments I need to
recover what I seem to have lost - that
is why I have this sense of urgency. Here is what I posted
elsewhere yesterday, please help! :

I was working on a few MS Word documents today, documents that I
update daily and, I took a couple of hours off and when I came
back, MS Word was closed and, when I reopened Word, the
documents had none of the changes I had made today.

My settings are to allow "background saves" and to do
autorecover every 10 minutes. When, I did a search for Word
docs modified in the last day, my files (which I update and
resave daily) showed up, but none of them had any
updates I've done in the last 24 hours in them, even though I
think they showed today's date (not sure on that). Some of the
temporary hushed files
(same name with a tilde in front) seem to show up, but if you
open them by themselves, it's garbage. Now, I did the search
again, 15 minutes later, and far fewer files show up.

I don't understand this. Can someone tell me the best way to
integrate whatever background saved files I have, in order to
try to resurrect what I
did today?

Thanks so much, Dean