[James Conley]

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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[Quilter97008]

John,
I'm not going to shoot the messenger, but can you please pass along that
this is the most assanine idea that Microsoft has with regards to Outlook?
I am an admin assistant and I use the signature feature a great deal for
draft form emails. I will use one paragraph as a signature and then another
paragraph as a different signature. Each email needs to be a little
different, but the bulk of the text is the same. However, using the work
around of drafting one signature for each "form email" is just assanine.
It's absolutely stupid. I loved using the signature feature for form emails.
It worked great and saved me a great deal of time. This new feature is only
going to add time to my work and make it more frustrating and I'll tell
people not to upgrade.

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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[Jim F]

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word doc that
requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8), whereby each is a
review/approval for the document and any additional data placed into the
document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each signature, i.e.
setup a block of information, sign, lock that section down from editing, but
allow edits to the next section. This is a critical need in an effort to
automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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[Jim F]

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word doc that
requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8), whereby each is a
review/approval for the document and any additional data placed into the
document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each signature, i.e.
setup a block of information, sign, lock that section down from editing, but
allow edits to the next section. This is a critical need in an effort to
automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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[Jay Freedman]

Nothing has changed. Sorry.

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:55:01 -0800, Jim F Jim
wrote:

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word doc that
requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8), whereby each is a
review/approval for the document and any additional data placed into the
document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each signature, i.e.
setup a block of information, sign, lock that section down from editing, but
allow edits to the next section. This is a critical need in an effort to
automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

[Jay Freedman]

Nothing has changed. Sorry.

--
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Jay Freedman
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Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:55:01 -0800, Jim F Jim
wrote:

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word doc that
requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8), whereby each is a
review/approval for the document and any additional data placed into the
document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each signature, i.e.
setup a block of information, sign, lock that section down from editing, but
allow edits to the next section. This is a critical need in an effort to
automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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[Jim F[_2_]]

Thanks Jay. What about utilizing XML signature capabilities? Can we utlize
any XML code inside Word 2007 and then use the XML digital signature features?

Jim

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

Nothing has changed. Sorry.

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:55:01 -0800, Jim F Jim
wrote:

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word doc that
requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8), whereby each is a
review/approval for the document and any additional data placed into the
document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each signature, i.e.
setup a block of information, sign, lock that section down from editing, but
allow edits to the next section. This is a critical need in an effort to
automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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.

[Jim F[_2_]]

Thanks Jay. What about utilizing XML signature capabilities? Can we utlize
any XML code inside Word 2007 and then use the XML digital signature features?

Jim

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

Nothing has changed. Sorry.

--
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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:55:01 -0800, Jim F Jim
wrote:

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word doc that
requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8), whereby each is a
review/approval for the document and any additional data placed into the
document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each signature, i.e.
setup a block of information, sign, lock that section down from editing, but
allow edits to the next section. This is a critical need in an effort to
automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves changing
the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital signature relies on a
checksum of the file: if you change the file by as much as a single bit, the
signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley" James
wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple digital
signatures [independent of each other] on a single document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and route it
to the other two people so that they can sign it also? Every time I try this
the document gets saved when the 2nd person signs the document which triggers
invalidating any prior signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal
Server 2003, Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document
on a file share and they all result in the same thing happening - signing the
document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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.

[Jay Freedman]

I don't know anything about that. You might find something useful at
http://www.openxmldeveloper.org.

Jim F wrote:
Thanks Jay. What about utilizing XML signature capabilities? Can we
utlize any XML code inside Word 2007 and then use the XML digital
signature features?

Jim

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

Nothing has changed. Sorry.

--
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Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:55:01 -0800, Jim F Jim
wrote:

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word
doc that requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8),
whereby each is a review/approval for the document and any
additional data placed into the document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each
signature, i.e. setup a block of information, sign, lock that
section down from editing, but allow edits to the next section.
This is a critical need in an effort to automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves
changing the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital
signature relies on a checksum of the file: if you change the file
by as much as a single bit, the signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley"
James wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple
digital signatures [independent of each other] on a single
document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and
route it to the other two people so that they can sign it also?
Every time I try this the document gets saved when the 2nd person
signs the document which triggers invalidating any prior
signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal Server 2003,
Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document on
a file share and they all result in the same thing happening -
signing the document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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.

[Jay Freedman]

I don't know anything about that. You might find something useful at
http://www.openxmldeveloper.org.

Jim F wrote:
Thanks Jay. What about utilizing XML signature capabilities? Can we
utlize any XML code inside Word 2007 and then use the XML digital
signature features?

Jim

"Jay Freedman" wrote:

Nothing has changed. Sorry.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:55:01 -0800, Jim F Jim
wrote:

Has this been addressed since 2008? We have need to manage a Word
doc that requires mulitple signatures (at times more than 8),
whereby each is a review/approval for the document and any
additional data placed into the document.

Ideally we would lock down sections of the file after each
signature, i.e. setup a block of information, sign, lock that
section down from editing, but allow edits to the next section.
This is a critical need in an effort to automate some workflows.

Thanks,

Jim

"John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macinto" wrote:

No. As you have discovered, writing the second signature involves
changing the file, invalidating the first signature. A digital
signature relies on a checksum of the file: if you change the file
by as much as a single bit, the signature will be invalid.


On 31/1/07 9:08 AM, in article
, "James Conley"
James wrote:

Do you know if MS Word [or Excel] 2007 support having multiple
digital signatures [independent of each other] on a single
document?

That is - can I put 3 signature lines on a document, sign it, and
route it to the other two people so that they can sign it also?
Every time I try this the document gets saved when the 2nd person
signs the document which triggers invalidating any prior
signatures. I've tried this in Sharepoint Portal Server 2003,
Outlook email attachments, and finally by putting the document on
a file share and they all result in the same thing happening -
signing the document invalidates any previous signatures.

James C.


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