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An Urban Legend?
I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker
told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
A far greater danger of letting Word files out of your control is "some
nefarious types" using your letterhead and template to create realistic-looking but phony documents. I never let sensitive Word files out of my control. Creating a PDF file should wipe out all tracked changes, without the need for an RTF file in between. (However, you do need to make sure you never drink in strange bars, or you might wake up in a tub of ice water, with your kidneys missing!) "Wallace" wrote: I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733
http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
Most of those articles date from before the risk was widely publicized, and
all except the one at metadatarisk.org concern documents that had not been scrubbed in any way. (And several of them are frankly sensationalist fearmongering.) Here are some less inflammatory articles to balance the discussion: How to Minimize Metadata in Word WD97: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223790 WD2000: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237361 WD2002: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290945 Remove Hidden Data add-in for Office 2003 and Office XP http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834427 Protecting Personal Data in Your Word 2003 Documents http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/librar...ctWord2003.asp I won't give you an iron-clad promise that accepting/rejecting all tracked changes will completely obliterate all traces of the changes, but I think it would be entirely sufficient unless you're trying to hide national security secrets. I'd love to hear from a reliable source whether or not DOJ uses Word -- and if not, it might just be because they've spent so much money suing Microsoft that they can't afford a copy of Office any more. g I don't think the RTF/PDF thing will do any better or worse than the Hidden Data Add-In, but it's a great time-waster. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Ed wrote: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733 http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
This 2005 article:
http://www.fcw.com/article88225-03-07-05-Web says *some* DOJ offices use Word Perfect, and the DOJ/Word Perfect relationship has been extended for 2 years with some renewal options. The DOJ spokesperson, however, is quoted as saying eventually the entire department will probably shift to Word. But a statement in the article that "U.S. courts also require all case filings to be in WordPerfect," is absolutely untrue. U.S. Courts require all case filings to be in .pdf. When this article was written WP might have had a more accessible .pdf converter than did Word, thus making conversion a little easier, but with Word 2003 that advantage is gone. Word and Word Perfect can convert to .pdf with equal ease for filing documents in the federal court's electronic case filing system (ecfs). Another urban legend debunked. -- Wallace "Jay Freedman" wrote: Most of those articles date from before the risk was widely publicized, and all except the one at metadatarisk.org concern documents that had not been scrubbed in any way. (And several of them are frankly sensationalist fearmongering.) Here are some less inflammatory articles to balance the discussion: How to Minimize Metadata in Word WD97: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223790 WD2000: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237361 WD2002: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290945 Remove Hidden Data add-in for Office 2003 and Office XP http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834427 Protecting Personal Data in Your Word 2003 Documents http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/librar...ctWord2003.asp I won't give you an iron-clad promise that accepting/rejecting all tracked changes will completely obliterate all traces of the changes, but I think it would be entirely sufficient unless you're trying to hide national security secrets. I'd love to hear from a reliable source whether or not DOJ uses Word -- and if not, it might just be because they've spent so much money suing Microsoft that they can't afford a copy of Office any more. g I don't think the RTF/PDF thing will do any better or worse than the Hidden Data Add-In, but it's a great time-waster. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Ed wrote: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733 http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
Word 2003 does not include built-in support for PDF creation, but Word 2007
will. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Wallace" wrote in message ... This 2005 article: http://www.fcw.com/article88225-03-07-05-Web says *some* DOJ offices use Word Perfect, and the DOJ/Word Perfect relationship has been extended for 2 years with some renewal options. The DOJ spokesperson, however, is quoted as saying eventually the entire department will probably shift to Word. But a statement in the article that "U.S. courts also require all case filings to be in WordPerfect," is absolutely untrue. U.S. Courts require all case filings to be in .pdf. When this article was written WP might have had a more accessible .pdf converter than did Word, thus making conversion a little easier, but with Word 2003 that advantage is gone. Word and Word Perfect can convert to .pdf with equal ease for filing documents in the federal court's electronic case filing system (ecfs). Another urban legend debunked. -- Wallace "Jay Freedman" wrote: Most of those articles date from before the risk was widely publicized, and all except the one at metadatarisk.org concern documents that had not been scrubbed in any way. (And several of them are frankly sensationalist fearmongering.) Here are some less inflammatory articles to balance the discussion: How to Minimize Metadata in Word WD97: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223790 WD2000: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237361 WD2002: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290945 Remove Hidden Data add-in for Office 2003 and Office XP http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834427 Protecting Personal Data in Your Word 2003 Documents http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/librar...ctWord2003.asp I won't give you an iron-clad promise that accepting/rejecting all tracked changes will completely obliterate all traces of the changes, but I think it would be entirely sufficient unless you're trying to hide national security secrets. I'd love to hear from a reliable source whether or not DOJ uses Word -- and if not, it might just be because they've spent so much money suing Microsoft that they can't afford a copy of Office any more. g I don't think the RTF/PDF thing will do any better or worse than the Hidden Data Add-In, but it's a great time-waster. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Ed wrote: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733 http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
Really? My Menu Toolbar has an "Adobe PDF" option from which I can convert a
document to .pdf or convert and e-mail that document. Is this not standard on Word 2003? -- Wallace "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Word 2003 does not include built-in support for PDF creation, but Word 2007 will. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Wallace" wrote in message ... This 2005 article: http://www.fcw.com/article88225-03-07-05-Web says *some* DOJ offices use Word Perfect, and the DOJ/Word Perfect relationship has been extended for 2 years with some renewal options. The DOJ spokesperson, however, is quoted as saying eventually the entire department will probably shift to Word. But a statement in the article that "U.S. courts also require all case filings to be in WordPerfect," is absolutely untrue. U.S. Courts require all case filings to be in .pdf. When this article was written WP might have had a more accessible .pdf converter than did Word, thus making conversion a little easier, but with Word 2003 that advantage is gone. Word and Word Perfect can convert to .pdf with equal ease for filing documents in the federal court's electronic case filing system (ecfs). Another urban legend debunked. -- Wallace "Jay Freedman" wrote: Most of those articles date from before the risk was widely publicized, and all except the one at metadatarisk.org concern documents that had not been scrubbed in any way. (And several of them are frankly sensationalist fearmongering.) Here are some less inflammatory articles to balance the discussion: How to Minimize Metadata in Word WD97: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223790 WD2000: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237361 WD2002: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290945 Remove Hidden Data add-in for Office 2003 and Office XP http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834427 Protecting Personal Data in Your Word 2003 Documents http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/librar...ctWord2003.asp I won't give you an iron-clad promise that accepting/rejecting all tracked changes will completely obliterate all traces of the changes, but I think it would be entirely sufficient unless you're trying to hide national security secrets. I'd love to hear from a reliable source whether or not DOJ uses Word -- and if not, it might just be because they've spent so much money suing Microsoft that they can't afford a copy of Office any more. g I don't think the RTF/PDF thing will do any better or worse than the Hidden Data Add-In, but it's a great time-waster. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Ed wrote: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733 http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
That's because you have Adobe Acrobat installed.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Wallace" wrote in message ... Really? My Menu Toolbar has an "Adobe PDF" option from which I can convert a document to .pdf or convert and e-mail that document. Is this not standard on Word 2003? -- Wallace "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Word 2003 does not include built-in support for PDF creation, but Word 2007 will. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Wallace" wrote in message ... This 2005 article: http://www.fcw.com/article88225-03-07-05-Web says *some* DOJ offices use Word Perfect, and the DOJ/Word Perfect relationship has been extended for 2 years with some renewal options. The DOJ spokesperson, however, is quoted as saying eventually the entire department will probably shift to Word. But a statement in the article that "U.S. courts also require all case filings to be in WordPerfect," is absolutely untrue. U.S. Courts require all case filings to be in .pdf. When this article was written WP might have had a more accessible .pdf converter than did Word, thus making conversion a little easier, but with Word 2003 that advantage is gone. Word and Word Perfect can convert to .pdf with equal ease for filing documents in the federal court's electronic case filing system (ecfs). Another urban legend debunked. -- Wallace "Jay Freedman" wrote: Most of those articles date from before the risk was widely publicized, and all except the one at metadatarisk.org concern documents that had not been scrubbed in any way. (And several of them are frankly sensationalist fearmongering.) Here are some less inflammatory articles to balance the discussion: How to Minimize Metadata in Word WD97: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223790 WD2000: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237361 WD2002: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290945 Remove Hidden Data add-in for Office 2003 and Office XP http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834427 Protecting Personal Data in Your Word 2003 Documents http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/librar...ctWord2003.asp I won't give you an iron-clad promise that accepting/rejecting all tracked changes will completely obliterate all traces of the changes, but I think it would be entirely sufficient unless you're trying to hide national security secrets. I'd love to hear from a reliable source whether or not DOJ uses Word -- and if not, it might just be because they've spent so much money suing Microsoft that they can't afford a copy of Office any more. g I don't think the RTF/PDF thing will do any better or worse than the Hidden Data Add-In, but it's a great time-waster. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Ed wrote: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733 http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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An Urban Legend?
gotcha
-- Wallace "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: That's because you have Adobe Acrobat installed. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Wallace" wrote in message ... Really? My Menu Toolbar has an "Adobe PDF" option from which I can convert a document to .pdf or convert and e-mail that document. Is this not standard on Word 2003? -- Wallace "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Word 2003 does not include built-in support for PDF creation, but Word 2007 will. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Wallace" wrote in message ... This 2005 article: http://www.fcw.com/article88225-03-07-05-Web says *some* DOJ offices use Word Perfect, and the DOJ/Word Perfect relationship has been extended for 2 years with some renewal options. The DOJ spokesperson, however, is quoted as saying eventually the entire department will probably shift to Word. But a statement in the article that "U.S. courts also require all case filings to be in WordPerfect," is absolutely untrue. U.S. Courts require all case filings to be in .pdf. When this article was written WP might have had a more accessible .pdf converter than did Word, thus making conversion a little easier, but with Word 2003 that advantage is gone. Word and Word Perfect can convert to .pdf with equal ease for filing documents in the federal court's electronic case filing system (ecfs). Another urban legend debunked. -- Wallace "Jay Freedman" wrote: Most of those articles date from before the risk was widely publicized, and all except the one at metadatarisk.org concern documents that had not been scrubbed in any way. (And several of them are frankly sensationalist fearmongering.) Here are some less inflammatory articles to balance the discussion: How to Minimize Metadata in Word WD97: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=223790 WD2000: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237361 WD2002: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290945 Remove Hidden Data add-in for Office 2003 and Office XP http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=834427 Protecting Personal Data in Your Word 2003 Documents http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/librar...ctWord2003.asp I won't give you an iron-clad promise that accepting/rejecting all tracked changes will completely obliterate all traces of the changes, but I think it would be entirely sufficient unless you're trying to hide national security secrets. I'd love to hear from a reliable source whether or not DOJ uses Word -- and if not, it might just be because they've spent so much money suing Microsoft that they can't afford a copy of Office any more. g I don't think the RTF/PDF thing will do any better or worse than the Hidden Data Add-In, but it's a great time-waster. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. Ed wrote: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthr...p?postid=77733 http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i33/33a04101.htm http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5170073.html http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/19...rosoft_report/ http://www.metadatarisk.org/document...a_overview.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...reveals-terror and there's more! Ed "Wallace" wrote in message ... I am a strong proponent of Track Changes in Word 2003. Recently a coworker told me that despite saving to a new filename and accepting all changes in the document, some sophisticated software is still capable of detecting the insertions, deletions, and comments made in earlier versions of the document. He says the problem is so acute that the Department of Justice no longer uses Word for fear that some nefarious types could ID the changes DOJ lawyers made in docs they circulate. He now saves his Word docs to a rich text file, then creates a .pdf from the RT file. He says that process purges "almost all" of the track changes from the document. Has anyone else heard of this, or should I place all of the above in the Roswell NM/Alien file? Thanks. -- Wallace |
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