I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

Hi Gordon,

You're brave doing that with beta software, given the instability of Master
Documents in earlier Word versions. I hope it's nothing important you're
playing with!!

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

I've just discovered that Master Document control has now been moved to the
status bar. I attempted to open the long document from the status bar, but it
produced an error and failed to open. An Error Report has been sent to
Microsoft.


"Gordon7000" wrote:

I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

I agree about the instability of previous versions using Master Documents.
I've got plenty of backups of these documents, so I'm not concerned about
losing important files. I had hoped that Microsoft would have managed to
resolve the problems with earlier versions of the product, or will yet do so
later in this beta. If not, I'll need to consider alternative software for
this kind of work.

"Gordon7000" wrote:

I've just discovered that Master Document control has now been moved to the
status bar. I attempted to open the long document from the status bar, but it
produced an error and failed to open. An Error Report has been sent to
Microsoft.


"Gordon7000" wrote:

I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

I think what you are looking for is in View, Outline. There is an entire
Master Document group there.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

"Gordon7000" wrote in message
:

I agree about the instability of previous versions using Master Documents.
I've got plenty of backups of these documents, so I'm not concerned about
losing important files. I had hoped that Microsoft would have managed to
resolve the problems with earlier versions of the product, or will yet do so
later in this beta. If not, I'll need to consider alternative software for
this kind of work.

"Gordon7000" wrote:

I've just discovered that Master Document control has now been moved to the
status bar. I attempted to open the long document from the status bar, but it
produced an error and failed to open. An Error Report has been sent to
Microsoft.


"Gordon7000" wrote:

I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents. However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer. "Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

Hi Charles,

I agree completely with what you and others have said about Master
Documents. I have become very frustrated with using them in previous
versions, and I don't intend to use them again. However, I have many lengthy
files from the past which have used master documents. Most of these have
since been opened and converted to PDF files, but I still have a few that I
would like to convert from Word. If Microsoft Word and Publisher can't cope
satisfactorily with these large files, I will need to look elsewhere -
probably, to one of the DTP software packages. I've hesitated from doing this
in the past, as I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with Microsoft
files.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents. However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer. "Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire document -
not just individual chapters.

Hi Gordon,

There's not much that the 'Master Document' feature offers that can't be
obtained fairly easily by linking documents together via INCLUDETEXT fields,
without the corruption risk.

With a target document that pulls together a variety of source documents
using INCLUDETEXT fields, you can use even the target document to copy/cut &
paste between source documents, just like you can with 'Master Documents',
though the process isn't quite as simple. Cross-referencing between source
documents is less flexible too, but easy enough to deal with.

Word has the power, just not the way MS might have envisaged.

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
Hi Charles,

I agree completely with what you and others have said about Master
Documents. I have become very frustrated with using them in previous
versions, and I don't intend to use them again. However, I have many
lengthy
files from the past which have used master documents. Most of these have
since been opened and converted to PDF files, but I still have a few that
I
would like to convert from Word. If Microsoft Word and Publisher can't
cope
satisfactorily with these large files, I will need to look elsewhere -
probably, to one of the DTP software packages. I've hesitated from doing
this
in the past, as I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with Microsoft
files.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents.
However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer. "Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not
only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the
limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these
newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that
there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on
the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on
how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display
Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire
document -
not just individual chapters.

Hi macropod,

Many thanks for this info. I wasn't aware of the method using INCLUDETEXT
fields. However, if this method will allow me to link documents of about 30
pages per chapter in length (with a combined book length sometimes exceeding
500 pages), then I'd be happy to continue using MS Word to prepare the text
for the books and perhaps use MS Publisher to finish them. Ultimately,
however, they'll be published as PDF documents.

Regards,

Gordon

"macropod" wrote:

Hi Gordon,

There's not much that the 'Master Document' feature offers that can't be
obtained fairly easily by linking documents together via INCLUDETEXT fields,
without the corruption risk.

With a target document that pulls together a variety of source documents
using INCLUDETEXT fields, you can use even the target document to copy/cut &
paste between source documents, just like you can with 'Master Documents',
though the process isn't quite as simple. Cross-referencing between source
documents is less flexible too, but easy enough to deal with.

Word has the power, just not the way MS might have envisaged.

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
Hi Charles,

I agree completely with what you and others have said about Master
Documents. I have become very frustrated with using them in previous
versions, and I don't intend to use them again. However, I have many
lengthy
files from the past which have used master documents. Most of these have
since been opened and converted to PDF files, but I still have a few that
I
would like to convert from Word. If Microsoft Word and Publisher can't
cope
satisfactorily with these large files, I will need to look elsewhere -
probably, to one of the DTP software packages. I've hesitated from doing
this
in the past, as I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with Microsoft
files.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents.
However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer. "Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not
only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the
limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these
newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that
there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on
the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on
how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display
Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire
document -
not just individual chapters.

Hi Gordon,

30 pages - piece of cake! 20 of them - no worries!

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
Hi macropod,

Many thanks for this info. I wasn't aware of the method using INCLUDETEXT
fields. However, if this method will allow me to link documents of about
30
pages per chapter in length (with a combined book length sometimes
exceeding
500 pages), then I'd be happy to continue using MS Word to prepare the
text
for the books and perhaps use MS Publisher to finish them. Ultimately,
however, they'll be published as PDF documents.

Regards,

Gordon

"macropod" wrote:

Hi Gordon,

There's not much that the 'Master Document' feature offers that can't be
obtained fairly easily by linking documents together via INCLUDETEXT
fields,
without the corruption risk.

With a target document that pulls together a variety of source documents
using INCLUDETEXT fields, you can use even the target document to
copy/cut &
paste between source documents, just like you can with 'Master
Documents',
though the process isn't quite as simple. Cross-referencing between
source
documents is less flexible too, but easy enough to deal with.

Word has the power, just not the way MS might have envisaged.

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
Hi Charles,

I agree completely with what you and others have said about Master
Documents. I have become very frustrated with using them in previous
versions, and I don't intend to use them again. However, I have many
lengthy
files from the past which have used master documents. Most of these
have
since been opened and converted to PDF files, but I still have a few
that
I
would like to convert from Word. If Microsoft Word and Publisher can't
cope
satisfactorily with these large files, I will need to look elsewhere -
probably, to one of the DTP software packages. I've hesitated from
doing
this
in the past, as I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with
Microsoft
files.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents.
However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer.
"Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not
only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the
limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these
newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy
your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not
even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that
there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those
that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information
on
the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for
more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for
ideas on
how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc
for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format,
each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display
Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire
document -
not just individual chapters.

G'day Gordon7000 ,

XML files don't suffer from corruption. Master documents cause
corruption. Mixing and matching the two technologies in any way you
please (Word 2003+) will seriously reduce problem rates.

Try saving all your subs as HTML if you are using 2k. Then quit word,
reload em all, and resave as doc. You lose a lil formatting, and a
TRUCKLOAD of corruption.


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


Gordon7000 reckoned:

Hi macropod,

Many thanks for this info. I wasn't aware of the method using INCLUDETEXT
fields. However, if this method will allow me to link documents of about 30
pages per chapter in length (with a combined book length sometimes exceeding
500 pages), then I'd be happy to continue using MS Word to prepare the text
for the books and perhaps use MS Publisher to finish them. Ultimately,
however, they'll be published as PDF documents.

Regards,

Gordon

"macropod" wrote:

Hi Gordon,

There's not much that the 'Master Document' feature offers that can't be
obtained fairly easily by linking documents together via INCLUDETEXT fields,
without the corruption risk.

With a target document that pulls together a variety of source documents
using INCLUDETEXT fields, you can use even the target document to copy/cut &
paste between source documents, just like you can with 'Master Documents',
though the process isn't quite as simple. Cross-referencing between source
documents is less flexible too, but easy enough to deal with.

Word has the power, just not the way MS might have envisaged.

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
Hi Charles,

I agree completely with what you and others have said about Master
Documents. I have become very frustrated with using them in previous
versions, and I don't intend to use them again. However, I have many
lengthy
files from the past which have used master documents. Most of these have
since been opened and converted to PDF files, but I still have a few that
I
would like to convert from Word. If Microsoft Word and Publisher can't
cope
satisfactorily with these large files, I will need to look elsewhere -
probably, to one of the DTP software packages. I've hesitated from doing
this
in the past, as I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with Microsoft
files.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents.
However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer. "Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not
only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the
limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these
newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that
there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on
the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on
how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display
Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire
document -
not just individual chapters.

Hi Steve,

Many thanks for the tip. I haven't had any problems since I stopped using
Master Documents in all my new docs, but I'll try your suggestion on my older
sub docs that haven't yet been converted.

This forum has been proving very useful and informative. It's a pity I
hadn't known about it several years ago.

Thanks everyone for all your help.

Gordon



"Word Heretic" wrote:

G'day Gordon7000 ,

XML files don't suffer from corruption. Master documents cause
corruption. Mixing and matching the two technologies in any way you
please (Word 2003+) will seriously reduce problem rates.

Try saving all your subs as HTML if you are using 2k. Then quit word,
reload em all, and resave as doc. You lose a lil formatting, and a
TRUCKLOAD of corruption.


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


Gordon7000 reckoned:

Hi macropod,

Many thanks for this info. I wasn't aware of the method using INCLUDETEXT
fields. However, if this method will allow me to link documents of about 30
pages per chapter in length (with a combined book length sometimes exceeding
500 pages), then I'd be happy to continue using MS Word to prepare the text
for the books and perhaps use MS Publisher to finish them. Ultimately,
however, they'll be published as PDF documents.

Regards,

Gordon

"macropod" wrote:

Hi Gordon,

There's not much that the 'Master Document' feature offers that can't be
obtained fairly easily by linking documents together via INCLUDETEXT fields,
without the corruption risk.

With a target document that pulls together a variety of source documents
using INCLUDETEXT fields, you can use even the target document to copy/cut &
paste between source documents, just like you can with 'Master Documents',
though the process isn't quite as simple. Cross-referencing between source
documents is less flexible too, but easy enough to deal with.

Word has the power, just not the way MS might have envisaged.

Cheers

--
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
Hi Charles,

I agree completely with what you and others have said about Master
Documents. I have become very frustrated with using them in previous
versions, and I don't intend to use them again. However, I have many
lengthy
files from the past which have used master documents. Most of these have
since been opened and converted to PDF files, but I still have a few that
I
would like to convert from Word. If Microsoft Word and Publisher can't
cope
satisfactorily with these large files, I will need to look elsewhere -
probably, to one of the DTP software packages. I've hesitated from doing
this
in the past, as I wanted to maintain maximum compatibility with Microsoft
files.

"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

Sorry, I don't have an answer because I don't use Master Documents.
However,
you may need the reason I don't more than you need an answer. "Master
Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not
only
doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the
limited
exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these
newsgroups
is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your
document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even
working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that
there
are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that
will be corrupt soon. See
http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on
the
Master Document feature and workarounds. See
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more
information on what goes wrong, and
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on
how
to salvage what you can. See
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for
Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very
carefully.

--

Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome!
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"Gordon7000" wrote in message
...
I have a number of book-length documents in Word 2003 doc format, each
chapter using a separate Master Document. How do I open or display
Master
Document pages in Word 2007? I want to view and edit the entire
document -
not just individual chapters.