[Brian]

In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Yves Dhondt]

Yes, but it is not all that straightforward.

The entire formatting process is done by an xslt transformation which turns
your sources into html which is in turn processed again by Word. The style
directory is located at "winword.exe location\Bibliography\Style\". The
style you are looking for is titled APA.xsl.

Before you try adapting the style, I suggest you create a copy of APA.xsl
and change the name of the style in the copied file according to
http://bibword.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=FAQ#Q8 . This way you can play
around with the styles without damaging the original ones.

If you want to manipulate the outcome of the bibliography format, you should
look for the piece of code between
xsl:when test="b:Bibliography"
...
/xsl:when

In your case, the solution is probably as simple as adding a little code
just before the "xsl:element" closing tag near the bottom of that part of
code.

Yves
--
BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles
http://bibword.codeplex.com

"Brian" wrote in message
...
In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for
APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source.
However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in
the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated
or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so
that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Yves Dhondt]

Yes, but it is not all that straightforward.

The entire formatting process is done by an xslt transformation which turns
your sources into html which is in turn processed again by Word. The style
directory is located at "winword.exe location\Bibliography\Style\". The
style you are looking for is titled APA.xsl.

Before you try adapting the style, I suggest you create a copy of APA.xsl
and change the name of the style in the copied file according to
http://bibword.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=FAQ#Q8 . This way you can play
around with the styles without damaging the original ones.

If you want to manipulate the outcome of the bibliography format, you should
look for the piece of code between
xsl:when test="b:Bibliography"
...
/xsl:when

In your case, the solution is probably as simple as adding a little code
just before the "xsl:element" closing tag near the bottom of that part of
code.

Yves
--
BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles
http://bibword.codeplex.com

"Brian" wrote in message
...
In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for
APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source.
However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in
the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated
or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so
that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Peter T. Daniels]

This simply shows that whoever designed the Bibliography "tool" had
never compiled, or used, a bibliography in their life. Not one of the
styles has a spot for "series" (an extremely important part of any
citation, since often libraries do or did not subcatalog volumes of a
series). For _some_ of the styles, such as the ISO pair, anything
typed in the "Comment" line at the bottom is printed at the end of the
reference, but not for, e.g., Chicago and APA.

On Feb 4, 1:11*am, Brian wrote:
In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. *However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. *I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated. *

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Peter T. Daniels]

This simply shows that whoever designed the Bibliography "tool" had
never compiled, or used, a bibliography in their life. Not one of the
styles has a spot for "series" (an extremely important part of any
citation, since often libraries do or did not subcatalog volumes of a
series). For _some_ of the styles, such as the ISO pair, anything
typed in the "Comment" line at the bottom is printed at the end of the
reference, but not for, e.g., Chicago and APA.

On Feb 4, 1:11*am, Brian wrote:
In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. *However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. *I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated. *

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Yves Dhondt]

It simply shows that nobody cares.

If organizations like MLA, APA, and Chicago cared about how works were
referenced, they would warn their users not to use the Citations &
Bibliography tool in Word. A formal statement (or even a few blog postings)
by them might actually force Microsoft to do something about the issues. As
nobody with a 'powerful voice' is complaining, there is no reason for
Microsoft to change anything in Word 2010.

Actually, as MLA and APA have updated their formatting in 2009, they should
have provided stylesheets themselves for the new rules. The fact that they
didn't while most of their userbase uses Word shows that they don't care
about it any more than Microsoft does.

Yves
--
BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles
http://bibword.codeplex.com

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
This simply shows that whoever designed the Bibliography "tool" had
never compiled, or used, a bibliography in their life. Not one of the
styles has a spot for "series" (an extremely important part of any
citation, since often libraries do or did not subcatalog volumes of a
series). For _some_ of the styles, such as the ISO pair, anything
typed in the "Comment" line at the bottom is printed at the end of the
reference, but not for, e.g., Chicago and APA.

On Feb 4, 1:11 am, Brian wrote:
In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for
APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated
or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so
that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Yves Dhondt]

It simply shows that nobody cares.

If organizations like MLA, APA, and Chicago cared about how works were
referenced, they would warn their users not to use the Citations &
Bibliography tool in Word. A formal statement (or even a few blog postings)
by them might actually force Microsoft to do something about the issues. As
nobody with a 'powerful voice' is complaining, there is no reason for
Microsoft to change anything in Word 2010.

Actually, as MLA and APA have updated their formatting in 2009, they should
have provided stylesheets themselves for the new rules. The fact that they
didn't while most of their userbase uses Word shows that they don't care
about it any more than Microsoft does.

Yves
--
BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles
http://bibword.codeplex.com

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
...
This simply shows that whoever designed the Bibliography "tool" had
never compiled, or used, a bibliography in their life. Not one of the
styles has a spot for "series" (an extremely important part of any
citation, since often libraries do or did not subcatalog volumes of a
series). For _some_ of the styles, such as the ISO pair, anything
typed in the "Comment" line at the bottom is printed at the end of the
reference, but not for, e.g., Chicago and APA.

On Feb 4, 1:11 am, Brian wrote:
In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for
APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated
or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so
that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?

[Peter T. Daniels]

The Chicago Manual of Style is revised on a ten-or-so-year cycle, and
this "tool" didn't exist when the 15th edition was done.

I can't say anything about the MLA or APA, but since both of them (I
think) have published revisions since the "tool" was issued, they
can't really recommend that users use it, since what it did have is
now outdated (as well as inadequate in the first place). Calling
attention to its inadequacy would be something like locking the barn
door after the horse was stolen.

(Or, in my case, which I'm still bitter about 30 years later, locking
the garage door after the bicycle was stolen. Sure, my wonderful
landlady paid me its full purchase price, but it was a discontinued
model by the time I'd bought it several years earlier and
irreplaceable.)

CMS15 doesn't seem to say anything about the bibliographic software
(such as EndNote or the magnificent Mac-only Papyrus) that was
available by 2003.

On Feb 4, 10:26*am, "Yves Dhondt" wrote:
It simply shows that nobody cares.

If organizations like MLA, APA, and Chicago cared about how works were
referenced, they would warn their users not to use the Citations &
Bibliography tool in Word. A formal statement (or even a few blog postings)
by them might actually force Microsoft to do something about the issues. As
nobody with a 'powerful voice' is complaining, there is no reason for
Microsoft to change anything in Word 2010.

Actually, as MLA and APA have updated their formatting in 2009, they should
have provided stylesheets themselves for the new rules. The fact that they
didn't while most of their userbase uses Word shows that they don't care
about it any more than Microsoft does.

Yves
--
BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styleshttp://bibword.codeplex.com

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
This simply shows that whoever designed the Bibliography "tool" had
never compiled, or used, a bibliography in their life. Not one of the
styles has a spot for "series" (an extremely important part of any
citation, since often libraries do or did not subcatalog volumes of a
series). For _some_ of the styles, such as the ISO pair, anything
typed in the "Comment" line at the bottom is printed at the end of the
reference, but not for, e.g., Chicago and APA.

On Feb 4, 1:11 am, Brian wrote:



In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for
APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated
or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so
that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?-

[Peter T. Daniels]

The Chicago Manual of Style is revised on a ten-or-so-year cycle, and
this "tool" didn't exist when the 15th edition was done.

I can't say anything about the MLA or APA, but since both of them (I
think) have published revisions since the "tool" was issued, they
can't really recommend that users use it, since what it did have is
now outdated (as well as inadequate in the first place). Calling
attention to its inadequacy would be something like locking the barn
door after the horse was stolen.

(Or, in my case, which I'm still bitter about 30 years later, locking
the garage door after the bicycle was stolen. Sure, my wonderful
landlady paid me its full purchase price, but it was a discontinued
model by the time I'd bought it several years earlier and
irreplaceable.)

CMS15 doesn't seem to say anything about the bibliographic software
(such as EndNote or the magnificent Mac-only Papyrus) that was
available by 2003.

On Feb 4, 10:26*am, "Yves Dhondt" wrote:
It simply shows that nobody cares.

If organizations like MLA, APA, and Chicago cared about how works were
referenced, they would warn their users not to use the Citations &
Bibliography tool in Word. A formal statement (or even a few blog postings)
by them might actually force Microsoft to do something about the issues. As
nobody with a 'powerful voice' is complaining, there is no reason for
Microsoft to change anything in Word 2010.

Actually, as MLA and APA have updated their formatting in 2009, they should
have provided stylesheets themselves for the new rules. The fact that they
didn't while most of their userbase uses Word shows that they don't care
about it any more than Microsoft does.

Yves
--
BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styleshttp://bibword.codeplex.com

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ...
This simply shows that whoever designed the Bibliography "tool" had
never compiled, or used, a bibliography in their life. Not one of the
styles has a spot for "series" (an extremely important part of any
citation, since often libraries do or did not subcatalog volumes of a
series). For _some_ of the styles, such as the ISO pair, anything
typed in the "Comment" line at the bottom is printed at the end of the
reference, but not for, e.g., Chicago and APA.

On Feb 4, 1:11 am, Brian wrote:



In word 2007 in the Manage Sources option, I have typed in the info for
APA
citations and put the URL into the comment block for each source. However,
the automatic citation doesn't include the URL (comment) when the
bibliography is automatically generated. I know I can manually type in the
URL after the respective bibliography heading, but if that is ever updated
or
slightly changed, the URL is deleted and not updated.

Is there an option or way to edit APA citations as a "user template" so
that
I can add in the comment box (URL) into the auto generated bibliography?-