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We could discuss the theory of bibliographic style if you'd like, but
this probably isn't the right place ... I live in both worlds. Linguistics these days rigorously uses author-date, but philology still uses author-short title (in footnotes), and each has its merits. (Linguistics, until recently, was a very small field, and everyone had read everything, so author-date references were instantly recognizable; and that could well be valid for workers in any very small field.) And when I'm earning my living by copyediting, I have to do whatever the respective publisher requires, even APA style, which (having grown up on Chicago style) I find pretty silly in several places. On Oct 23, 12:41*pm, p0 wrote: It depends on the style. A lot of legal styles want both, full in-text citation (through footnotes) and a bibliographic list. I guess it makes it easier for people wanting to look stuff up. You are right on it being redundant. But you have to admit that most bibliographic styles are not really an example of smart thinking or the result of bright minds at work. Compared to author-date styles, this "William Giles Campbell" style is more redundant but also more intelligent. It is not uncommon for someone to write multiple articles (conferences, journals, book sections) a year. The described system makes it easy for the reader to know what is being cited. In an ordinary author-date system, is not only the formatting harder (you need to display more or less authors, add a suffix to the year, ...), its result is also meaningless for most people reading the work. They have no idea who "Doe" is, and even if they do, how should they know what "Doe" wrote sometime during 2008. A reference number pointing to the bibliography at the end would be just as clear and a lot less redundant. It also wouldn't require some complex formatting scheme. If you really wanted a scheme similar to author-date which would be useful for ordinary people, then at least the title should be somehow included as it tells more about the work being cited than the name of the author does. Yves On 23 okt, 16:18, grammatim wrote: Footnotes like that, with full bibliographical information, are normally only done when nobibliography(reference list) is provided at all. Otherwise, the redundancy is immense. On Oct 23, 9:17*am, p0 wrote: MLAin-text citations consist out of authors only (e.g.: (Doe and Doe) and (Beethoven)). So what he asks for is not just switching from italics to underline, but rather a rewrite of the entire in-text/ footnotecitation(notbibliography) formatting routine. Although this is possible, it requires a lot of work. So much work in fact that I doubt anyone will be able to help him. Yves --http://www.codeplex.com/bibliography On 23 okt, 13:57, grammatim wrote: Usually a typed underline is a makeshift replacement for italics: can you check with whoever is requiring this style whether you can substitute italics? On Oct 23, 3:40*am, Jan wrote: Hey guys, i need a special type ofbibliographystyle, called "William Giles Campbell's: Form and Style: Thesis, Reports, Term Papers". I found that the built inMLAStyle fits in thebibliography, but for the footnote citations i need the following format: Jacob Brownowski, The Ascent of Man -underlined, (Boston: Little, Brown, 1973). If someone can help me it would be great! Thanks!- |
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![]() I found a way to get numbered citations in the text. after you 'insert citation', and add a new citation entry you get the name of your source in brackets (Doe,J et al. 2008). click on the little triangle at the lower right corner of the citation and click on 'edit citation'. this allows you to edit the appearance of the citation in the text. where it says add, put the desired number into the box. I want my Doe, J citation to be number 1, so i put a 1 in the box. then check all three of the boxes below, to remove the name, date and author from the citation field. now your citation should read (1). Now you should also go to manage sources, up in the toolbar of the references tab and make sure you change the 'sort by' field to 'sort by tag'. then you can give your source a new tag, which corresponds to the number ....1. this wont be updated automatically so you should leave this part until the end. when you next update your citations, by clicking on the tab in the works cited section, it should update and you shold have numbers in the text and in the works cited. "Ariel" wrote: Word 2007 brings the possibility of making a bibliography, but it contains fixed bibliography styles. How can I make one of my own? |
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On 18 nov, 03:01, Katie wrote:
I found a way to get numbered citations in the text. after you 'insert citation', and add a new citation entry you get the name of your source in brackets (Doe,J et al. 2008). click on the little triangle at the lower right corner of the citation and click on 'edit citation'. this allows you to edit the appearance of the citation in the text. where it says add, put the desired number into the box. I want my Doe, J citation to be number 1, so i put a 1 in the box. then check all three of the boxes below, to remove the name, date and author from the citation field. now your citation should read (1). Now you should also go to manage sources, up in the toolbar of the references tab and make sure you change the 'sort by' field to 'sort by tag'. then you can give your source a new tag, which corresponds to the number ...1. this wont be updated automatically so you should leave this part until the end. when you next update your citations, by clicking on the tab in the works cited section, it should update and you shold have numbers in the text and in the works cited. To be honest, I'm not sure what you try to achieve with the above solution. I would think that if you use some kind of number to represent the citation in the text, you would want that same number in front of your citation in the bibliography. How else would you be able to find the reference in your bibliography based on the in-text citation? With your solution, it would be unlikely that the number will show up in the bibliography. Unless you start editing the bibliography formatting rules, but then it might be easier to just do that for in-text citations as well. Also, setting the "Pages" variable under "Edit citation..." might not be such a good idea as it does have a totally different meaning. Setting the "Tag" and suppressing the other variables is a good idea though. Although it might still be easier to use a style which actually uses numerical references to start with (e.g. ISO 690 - Numerical Reference) Yves -- http://www.codeplex.com/bibliography |
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Dear Yves
you did the best with chicago and iso, can you do the same for APA so that I can have the refrences alphabetically ordered and numbered in brakets [] Thank U Simplex "p0" wrote: On 2 jul, 17:13, James wrote: p0, I wonder if you can help me? I would like to change the brackets from (1) to [1] in the ISO numerical reference style, with the text aligned with 'abc' under 'xyz' in your example. I'd be really grateful if you could tell me how to do this. Many many thanks in advance. James, Check out http://www.codeplex.com/bibliography...eleaseId=15028 . I think that will do what you want. BR, Yves |
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No. Citation numbering and alphabetic sorting do not go together in Word.
In-text citations, even those part of a group, are passed one at a time to the stylesheet. The part of the stylesheet, formatting the in-text citation, is not able to either retrieve the order of the source in the bibliography from somewhere or calculate it somehow. Hence it is not possible to simply transform the existing APA style according to your request. If you are willing to drop the alphabetic sorting requirement, you can use http://bibliography.codeplex.com/Rel...eleaseId=19756 . I did write a template and an external tool which allows to use both citation numbering and alphabetic sorting (as well as some other things). However, in your case, you would have to rewrite APA according to that template to make it work. If you are interested in doing so, you might want to check out http://bibliography.codeplex.com/Wik...?title=BibWord (the template) and http://bibliography.codeplex.com/Wik...ord%20Extender (the tool). Yves "Simplex" wrote in message ... Dear Yves you did the best with chicago and iso, can you do the same for APA so that I can have the refrences alphabetically ordered and numbered in brakets [] Thank U Simplex "p0" wrote: On 2 jul, 17:13, James wrote: p0, I wonder if you can help me? I would like to change the brackets from (1) to [1] in the ISO numerical reference style, with the text aligned with 'abc' under 'xyz' in your example. I'd be really grateful if you could tell me how to do this. Many many thanks in advance. James, Check out http://www.codeplex.com/bibliography...eleaseId=15028 . I think that will do what you want. BR, Yves |
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![]() Yves, APA has been updated where I have to carry in the "DOI." Do you know how to add a new field in XLST? Also, I need the issue number to be a mandatory field. Example: Klimoski, R., & Palmer, S. (1993). The ADA and the hiring process in organizations. Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research, 45(2), 10-36. doi:10.1037/1061-4087.45.2.10 Thank you, |
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![]() Yves, APA has been updated where I have to carry in the "DOI." Do you know how to add a new field in XLST? Also, I need the issue number to be a mandatory field. Example: Klimoski, R., & Palmer, S. (1993). The ADA and the hiring process in organizations. Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research, 45(2), 10-36. doi:10.1037/1061-4087.45.2.10 Thank you, |
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From a purely 'being compliant' point of view, you can't go adding new
fields. The resulting xml would not follow the standardized schema. The only correct way of doing it would be through namespace subsumption but end-users can't do that. Luckely, Word 2007/2008 doesn't really care when it comes to validity. So you can add almost anything you want, from new source types to new fields attached to existing source types. !!! ALWAYS CREATE BACKUPS BEFORE EDITING FILES !!! To add a new field to the 'Edit Source' dialog, you will have to provide its definition in 'bibform.xml'. 'bibform.xml' is language dependent and you can find the one you use in winword.exe directory\LCID\Bibliography where LCID is your language and cultural identifier. It's a 4 (or 5) digit value. The default one (en-us) is 1033. For a full list, see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964664.aspx When you check out 'bibform.xml', you will find the following structu Forms --Source = you have one of these for every type of supported source (Book, BookSection, ...) ----Tag = you have one of these for every field the source supports (Author, Year, ...) ------Label = this is the string that will be shown to the right of the input box ------DataTag = this is tells Word where to store the data entered in the xml ------Sample = this is an example value as shown at the bottom of the 'Edit Source' dialog. So when you want to add a new DOI field to a certain type, you will have to provide a new tag element for the necessary source elements. The element could look something like this: Tag LabelDOI/Label DataTagb ![]() SampleExample: 10.1000/182/Sample /Tag Once you saved your adjusted 'bibform.xml' and start up Word, you will find the newly added fields in the 'Edit Source' dialog when you select 'Show All Bibliography Fields'. As Open XML does not define which fields belong to which source type (they use a flat structure), you can, without breaking anything, add existing elements to sources who are missing them. So it is possible to add a b:URL, b ![]() Book source without breaking anything. Of course, non existing elements such as b ![]() So think about it, before you break it. I mean, if you use a separate field for a DOI the underlying xml will become invalid. Not that Word cares at the moment, but what if one day it will? Or what if someone else needs to open your document on another word processor. They might expect valid sources, and you will be giving them something invalid. A DOI is just another standard number like you have ISBN or ISSN. Why not use the same field (b:StandardNumber) they use? APA doesn't care about ISBN or ISSN anyway. It doesn't use the standard number. So you can safely add a b:StandardNumber to any Source element in your bibform.xml without breaking anything. Next you may want to control the importance of the field. That is, should the field be shown in the 'Edit Source' dialog by default, or should it only be available when 'Show All Bibliography Fields' is selected. The importance of a field is defined on a per style basis as some styles think an issue number is important while others think it is not. This means that it is defined in the xsl files. What happens is that Word sends a 'b:GetImportantFields/b:SourceType' to the xsl. The xsl replies with 'b:ImportantFields' element containing the data tags of the important elements. So for example, when Word want to know what the important fields are for journal articles in APA, it sends b:GetImportantFields b:SourceTypeJournalArticle/b:SourceType /b:GetImportantFields And APA.xsl replies with: b:ImportantFields b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Author/b:Author/b:NameList/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Title/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:JournalName/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Year/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Pages/xsl:text /b:ImportantField /b:ImportantFields So if you wanted to ensure that the 'Issue' field would show up by default, you would have to add a: b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Issue/xsl:text /b:ImportantField Where and how this operation is defined inside the xsl depends on how the xsl was created. In APA.xsl, the easiest thing is to look for: xsl:when test="b:GetImportantFields/b:SourceType='JournalArticle'" You can of course substitute JournalArticle for other types of sources. Now that you can define new fields and mark them as important or not, there is one step left to do: displaying your field in a citation or bibliography. I'm only going to consider a bibliography here but the principle is similar for in-text citations. When Word wants to format a bibliography, it sends a list of all the sources it wants in the bibliography wrapped in a b:Bibliography element. The xsl does its magic with that input and returns an HTML file. Word then takes that HTML file and inserts it into your document. So Word gives something like: b:Bibliography !-- some localized stuff like what is 'and' in your language -- b:Source !-- the content of the source -- /b:Source b:Source !-- the content of the source -- /b:Source b:Source !-- the content of the source -- /b:Source /b:Bibliography And gets back something in the lines of html head/head body pMy first source/p pMy second source/p pMy third source/p /body /html As to how the different p elements in the above html are generated, that's up to the creator of the xsl. The principle is simple but the process is complex. The reason is, you have to cover every possible case (well you don't have to, but it is polite to do so). The availability of one element can influence the look of other elements or the separators between elements. In the end, you get one giant heap of if loops. A mess to navigate through (this is actually what BibWord tries to simplify) resulting in an xsl of a few 1000 lines scaring people away. Some style authors try to add some order to this madness. For example, in the APA stylesheet, you can look for: xsl:when test="b:Bibliography" This indicates where the bibliography formatting part begins. Then there is a small piece of sorting your sources, after which each source is processed using a for-each loop: xsl:for-each select="msxsl:node-set($sList)/b:Bibliography/b:Source" In that loop, a number of variables are calculated first. Things like the number of authors, how the title should look like (italics, bold, ...). The second part of the loop then display the source based on its type and those variables. You will find a piece of code looking like: xsl:choose xsl:when test="b:SourceType='Book'" !-- display information if your source is a book -- /xsl:when xsl:when test="b:SourceType='BookSection'" !-- display information if your source is a section of a book -- /xsl:when !-- other types of sources -- xsl:choose If you want to add your DOI, you will have to do it here. If you are lucky enough that your DOI just has to be at the end of the reference, you can move to just before the /xsl:when of the source type you want to add it to and put your code there. Your code could be something simple like checking if there is a DOI, and if so, display it. So you would get something looking like: xsl:if test="string-length(b ![]() xsl:text doi:/xsl:text xsl:value-of select="b ![]() /xsl:if Of course, if you want it elsewhere, you will have to start looking through the code. On a final note, unless you can think of some good reasons, you really should consider using the StandardNumber field rather than inventing your own DOI field. Yves -- BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles http://bibword.codeplex.com "Julie T" Julie wrote in message ... Yves, APA has been updated where I have to carry in the "DOI." Do you know how to add a new field in XLST? Also, I need the issue number to be a mandatory field. Example: Klimoski, R., & Palmer, S. (1993). The ADA and the hiring process in organizations. Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research, 45(2), 10-36. doi:10.1037/1061-4087.45.2.10 Thank you, |
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From a purely 'being compliant' point of view, you can't go adding new
fields. The resulting xml would not follow the standardized schema. The only correct way of doing it would be through namespace subsumption but end-users can't do that. Luckely, Word 2007/2008 doesn't really care when it comes to validity. So you can add almost anything you want, from new source types to new fields attached to existing source types. !!! ALWAYS CREATE BACKUPS BEFORE EDITING FILES !!! To add a new field to the 'Edit Source' dialog, you will have to provide its definition in 'bibform.xml'. 'bibform.xml' is language dependent and you can find the one you use in winword.exe directory\LCID\Bibliography where LCID is your language and cultural identifier. It's a 4 (or 5) digit value. The default one (en-us) is 1033. For a full list, see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964664.aspx When you check out 'bibform.xml', you will find the following structu Forms --Source = you have one of these for every type of supported source (Book, BookSection, ...) ----Tag = you have one of these for every field the source supports (Author, Year, ...) ------Label = this is the string that will be shown to the right of the input box ------DataTag = this is tells Word where to store the data entered in the xml ------Sample = this is an example value as shown at the bottom of the 'Edit Source' dialog. So when you want to add a new DOI field to a certain type, you will have to provide a new tag element for the necessary source elements. The element could look something like this: Tag LabelDOI/Label DataTagb ![]() SampleExample: 10.1000/182/Sample /Tag Once you saved your adjusted 'bibform.xml' and start up Word, you will find the newly added fields in the 'Edit Source' dialog when you select 'Show All Bibliography Fields'. As Open XML does not define which fields belong to which source type (they use a flat structure), you can, without breaking anything, add existing elements to sources who are missing them. So it is possible to add a b:URL, b ![]() Book source without breaking anything. Of course, non existing elements such as b ![]() So think about it, before you break it. I mean, if you use a separate field for a DOI the underlying xml will become invalid. Not that Word cares at the moment, but what if one day it will? Or what if someone else needs to open your document on another word processor. They might expect valid sources, and you will be giving them something invalid. A DOI is just another standard number like you have ISBN or ISSN. Why not use the same field (b:StandardNumber) they use? APA doesn't care about ISBN or ISSN anyway. It doesn't use the standard number. So you can safely add a b:StandardNumber to any Source element in your bibform.xml without breaking anything. Next you may want to control the importance of the field. That is, should the field be shown in the 'Edit Source' dialog by default, or should it only be available when 'Show All Bibliography Fields' is selected. The importance of a field is defined on a per style basis as some styles think an issue number is important while others think it is not. This means that it is defined in the xsl files. What happens is that Word sends a 'b:GetImportantFields/b:SourceType' to the xsl. The xsl replies with 'b:ImportantFields' element containing the data tags of the important elements. So for example, when Word want to know what the important fields are for journal articles in APA, it sends b:GetImportantFields b:SourceTypeJournalArticle/b:SourceType /b:GetImportantFields And APA.xsl replies with: b:ImportantFields b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Author/b:Author/b:NameList/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Title/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:JournalName/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Year/xsl:text /b:ImportantField b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Pages/xsl:text /b:ImportantField /b:ImportantFields So if you wanted to ensure that the 'Issue' field would show up by default, you would have to add a: b:ImportantField xsl:textb:Issue/xsl:text /b:ImportantField Where and how this operation is defined inside the xsl depends on how the xsl was created. In APA.xsl, the easiest thing is to look for: xsl:when test="b:GetImportantFields/b:SourceType='JournalArticle'" You can of course substitute JournalArticle for other types of sources. Now that you can define new fields and mark them as important or not, there is one step left to do: displaying your field in a citation or bibliography. I'm only going to consider a bibliography here but the principle is similar for in-text citations. When Word wants to format a bibliography, it sends a list of all the sources it wants in the bibliography wrapped in a b:Bibliography element. The xsl does its magic with that input and returns an HTML file. Word then takes that HTML file and inserts it into your document. So Word gives something like: b:Bibliography !-- some localized stuff like what is 'and' in your language -- b:Source !-- the content of the source -- /b:Source b:Source !-- the content of the source -- /b:Source b:Source !-- the content of the source -- /b:Source /b:Bibliography And gets back something in the lines of html head/head body pMy first source/p pMy second source/p pMy third source/p /body /html As to how the different p elements in the above html are generated, that's up to the creator of the xsl. The principle is simple but the process is complex. The reason is, you have to cover every possible case (well you don't have to, but it is polite to do so). The availability of one element can influence the look of other elements or the separators between elements. In the end, you get one giant heap of if loops. A mess to navigate through (this is actually what BibWord tries to simplify) resulting in an xsl of a few 1000 lines scaring people away. Some style authors try to add some order to this madness. For example, in the APA stylesheet, you can look for: xsl:when test="b:Bibliography" This indicates where the bibliography formatting part begins. Then there is a small piece of sorting your sources, after which each source is processed using a for-each loop: xsl:for-each select="msxsl:node-set($sList)/b:Bibliography/b:Source" In that loop, a number of variables are calculated first. Things like the number of authors, how the title should look like (italics, bold, ...). The second part of the loop then display the source based on its type and those variables. You will find a piece of code looking like: xsl:choose xsl:when test="b:SourceType='Book'" !-- display information if your source is a book -- /xsl:when xsl:when test="b:SourceType='BookSection'" !-- display information if your source is a section of a book -- /xsl:when !-- other types of sources -- xsl:choose If you want to add your DOI, you will have to do it here. If you are lucky enough that your DOI just has to be at the end of the reference, you can move to just before the /xsl:when of the source type you want to add it to and put your code there. Your code could be something simple like checking if there is a DOI, and if so, display it. So you would get something looking like: xsl:if test="string-length(b ![]() xsl:text doi:/xsl:text xsl:value-of select="b ![]() /xsl:if Of course, if you want it elsewhere, you will have to start looking through the code. On a final note, unless you can think of some good reasons, you really should consider using the StandardNumber field rather than inventing your own DOI field. Yves -- BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles http://bibword.codeplex.com "Julie T" Julie wrote in message ... Yves, APA has been updated where I have to carry in the "DOI." Do you know how to add a new field in XLST? Also, I need the issue number to be a mandatory field. Example: Klimoski, R., & Palmer, S. (1993). The ADA and the hiring process in organizations. Consulting Psychology Journal: Practice and Research, 45(2), 10-36. doi:10.1037/1061-4087.45.2.10 Thank you, |
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Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert
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Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert
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Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert
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Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert
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The only reason I can think of is that you added the DOI display instruction
in the wrong place in the stylesheet. At http://bibword.codeplex.com/releases/view/44118 you can find an implementation of the post. Yves -- BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles http://bibword.codeplex.com "NickSKF" wrote in message ... Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert Bibliography, no DOI information included. |
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The only reason I can think of is that you added the DOI display instruction
in the wrong place in the stylesheet. At http://bibword.codeplex.com/releases/view/44118 you can find an implementation of the post. Yves -- BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles http://bibword.codeplex.com "NickSKF" wrote in message ... Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert Bibliography, no DOI information included. |
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On Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 4:10:37 AM UTC-6, Yves Dhondt wrote:
The only reason I can think of is that you added the DOI display instruction in the wrong place in the stylesheet. At http://bibword.codeplex.com/releases/view/44118 you can find an implementation of the post. Yves -- BibWord : Microsoft Word Citation and Bibliography styles http://bibword.codeplex.com "NickSKF" wrote in message ... Got the DOI field. Followed every instruction. But when I insert Bibliography, no DOI information included. Hello Yves, I would like to add a "map" source type in the Reference Manager GUI. I have read the different options that I have for doing so. One of them is editing the BIBFORM.XML and another one is to use bibtype to create bibform2.xml.. I prefer the latter given that I would like to implement these changes in other computers with different languages. Unfortunately I don't know how to compile the bibtype.exe. I am getting errors when I tried to do so. Also, which xls/xml file should I modify so that "map" shows up in the GUI. Does Bibtype need to be placed in a specific directory? Regards, |
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I have MS Word 2016.It has built-in styles for citation like IEEE, APA, etc. Our University has a format which is not available here.
Can I insert my own citation style in this word?If yes how? And if no then how should I handle this problem? |
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On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 7:11:03 AM UTC-4, Sadiq Akbar wrote:
I have MS Word 2016.It has built-in styles for citation like IEEE, APA, etc. Our University has a format which is not available here. Can I insert my own citation style in this word?If yes how? And if no then how should I handle this problem? You can, but it is VERY difficult. You may be able to find what you need at https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=bibword -- as "BibWord" -- but as far as I can tell it has not been updated since Word2007, and the Styles created in Word2007 do NOT work in Word2013. I haven't had the time to experiment with altering the Word2013 built-in styles to match my custom styles created for Word2007. They look the same when they're opened in NotePad, but clearly something is different "behind the scenes." |
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