[Natai]

I am currently working on writing a paper using the Turabian reference
format. For the most part Word is very helpful when it comes to references
and creating a bibliography, but now I have a problem. I need to reference a
journal article accessed online. When I add the source in the Source Manager,
I have to choose either journal article or online document. The problem is
that neither of these options alone have all the fields I need. If I choose
journal article I have all the field for the article but lack the fields for
the URL and date accessed. If I choose online document I have those fields
but lack the fields for volume and number of the journal. Clicking on the box
to show all bibliography fields does add more fields to the last, but not all
of them and certainly not the ones I need. Is there a way to create a custom
source type with the fields I need? Is there another source type that has all
of the fields? Any suggestions beyond editing each entry manually in the
document? Thanks

--
Sean McLaughlin

[p0]

On 7 aug, 18:46, Natai wrote:
I am currently working on writing a paper using the Turabian reference
format. For the most part Word is very helpful when it comes to references
and creating abibliography, but now I have a problem. I need to reference a
journal article accessed online. When I add the source in the Source Manager,
I have to choose either journal article or online document. The problem is
that neither of these options alone have all the fields I need. If I choose
journal article I have all the field for the article but lack the fields for
the URL and date accessed. If I choose online document I have those fields
but lack the fields for volume and number of the journal. Clicking on the box
to show allbibliographyfields does add more fields to the last, but not all
of them and certainly not the ones I need. Is there a way to create a custom
source type with the fields I need? Is there another source type that has all
of the fields? Any suggestions beyond editing each entry manually in the
document? Thanks

--
Sean McLaughlin

Hi Sean,

You can but what is point? Suppose you add a custom source type. How
do you expect the current styles (APA, MLA, Turabian, ...) to format
it? Unless you extend them as well, they have no clue what to do.
Besides, adding custom types violates the xml schema defining
bibliographies. Luckely this is not an issue for Word 2007 as Word
does not verify the input. The current bibliography xml schema does
not define any relationship between the source types and the available
fields. Hence, you can make every field available for every source
type without violating the schema. However, once again, the current
styles will have no idea how to handle the extra fields unless you
update them.

That said, if you still want to make the changes yourself, you will
have to edit a file called bibform.xml to add extra fields (or even
source types) to the bibliographic possibilities. The file can be
found at Word Directory\LCID\bibliography\bibform.xml . Some more
information and a tool to localize adaptations to the file can be
found at http://www.codeplex.com/bibliography...eleaseId=15976

Once you updated the input form, you will have to update the style.
The Turabian style is located at Word Directory\Bibliography\Style
\TURABIAN.XSL. I wish you good luck with editing it, because the xslt
is rather complex and unorganized. The only suggestion I can offer at
the moment, is to format the entry yourself and put it in the comments
line of your bibliographic entry, then you only have to output that.
At least it will minimalize the changes you have to make to the style.

In time, I will probably convert the existing styles so they can
easily be extended or updated. But I don't have a timeline for that.

BR

Yves
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For more Word 2007 bibliography info, see http://www.codeplex.com/bibliography

[Benny[_2_]]

Sean
Whether you access the journal article on line or in a book in a library or
as a photocopy at your granny's place does not matter- if it is a copy of a
paper from a print journal, just use the journal reference format in your
bibliography.
I'm a W2003 user- do I assume that 2007 has an inbuilt referencing program?
Benny

"Natai" wrote in message
...
I am currently working on writing a paper using the Turabian reference
format. For the most part Word is very helpful when it comes to references
and creating a bibliography, but now I have a problem. I need to reference
a
journal article accessed online. When I add the source in the Source
Manager,
I have to choose either journal article or online document. The problem is
that neither of these options alone have all the fields I need. If I
choose
journal article I have all the field for the article but lack the fields
for
the URL and date accessed. If I choose online document I have those fields
but lack the fields for volume and number of the journal. Clicking on the
box
to show all bibliography fields does add more fields to the last, but not
all
of them and certainly not the ones I need. Is there a way to create a
custom
source type with the fields I need? Is there another source type that has
all
of the fields? Any suggestions beyond editing each entry manually in the
document? Thanks

--
Sean McLaughlin

[p0]

On 11 aug, 04:28, "Benny" wrote:
Sean
Whether you access the journal article on line or in a book in a library or
as a photocopy at your granny's place does not matter- if it is a copy of a
paper from a print journal, just use the journal reference format in yourbibliography.
I'm a W2003 user- do I assume that 2007 has an inbuilt referencing program?
Benny

"Natai" wrote in message

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I am currently working on writing a paper using the Turabian reference
format. For the most part Word is very helpful when it comes to references
and creating abibliography, but now I have a problem. I need to reference
a
journal article accessed online. When I add the source in the Source
Manager,
I have to choose either journal article or online document. The problem is
that neither of these options alone have all the fields I need. If I
choose
journal article I have all the field for the article but lack the fields
for
the URL and date accessed. If I choose online document I have those fields
but lack the fields for volume and number of the journal. Clicking on the
box
to show allbibliographyfields does add more fields to the last, but not
all
of them and certainly not the ones I need. Is there a way to create a
custom
source type with the fields I need? Is there another source type that has
all
of the fields? Any suggestions beyond editing each entry manually in the
document? Thanks

--
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Benny,

Word 2007 has indeed a built-in referencing system (http://
office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA100674921033.aspx). It does contain
some limitations though.

Not all journals still appear in print form. The electronic journal of
biotechnology (http://www.ejbiotechnology.info/) is one such example.
In case of electronic materials most styles require you to indicate
the date you accessed the source and a link (http://
www.ejbiotechnology.info/how_refer.html). But as the OP already
mentioned, electronic journals are not supported by Word 2007 by
default. Writing extensions to the existing styles is hard but
possible.

Yves