[Judy]

I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m getting two different spaces? I’m not
conscious of entering different spaces.

[Tony Jollans]

I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message
...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m getting two different spaces? I’m not
conscious of entering different spaces.

[Judy]

On Nov 11, 4:28*pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

*www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m getting two different spaces? I’m not
conscious of entering different spaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what these different spaces truly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I’m managing to produce them.

[Tony Jollans]

My apologies, I did get the find and replace the wrong way round - you
should, of course, replace all ^s with space; I'm sorry if you find that
burdensome; you could record a macro to run which would be a little easier.

I have told you what the different spaces truly are. The non-breaking spaces
may - in some circumstances - be automatically added, but not, as far as I
know, when the language is set to English.

To enter them manually you press Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen, but it is possible you
have a different key combination assigned which may be easier to
accidentally press. You can check by going to the Customize Keyboard
dialogue (in Word 2007: Office Button Word Options Customize tab
(keyboard) Customize button; in earlier versions: Tools Customize
Keyboard button) and scrolling down the left hand box ("Categories") to
select "Common Symbols" and then scrolling down the right hand box
("Commands") to select "Nonbreaking space") and then looking to see what key
it says is assigned.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 11, 4:28 pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m getting two different spaces? I’m not
conscious of entering different spaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what these different spaces truly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I’m managing to produce them.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Sorry, Tony, Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen is something entirely else. To insert a
nonbreaking space, you use Ctrl+Shift+Spacebar. There's a chance, of course,
that the degree symbol in this instance represents an en or em space. The
best way to find out what it is is to select one and go to the Symbol dialog
and see what's selected, or to select it and press Alt+X and see what
Unicode glyph number is returned (00A0 for a nonbreaking space, 2002 for an
en space, 2003 for an em space).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
My apologies, I did get the find and replace the wrong way round - you
should, of course, replace all ^s with space; I'm sorry if you find that
burdensome; you could record a macro to run which would be a little
easier.

I have told you what the different spaces truly are. The non-breaking
spaces may - in some circumstances - be automatically added, but not, as
far as I know, when the language is set to English.

To enter them manually you press Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen, but it is possible you
have a different key combination assigned which may be easier to
accidentally press. You can check by going to the Customize Keyboard
dialogue (in Word 2007: Office Button Word Options Customize tab
(keyboard) Customize button; in earlier versions: Tools Customize
Keyboard button) and scrolling down the left hand box ("Categories") to
select "Common Symbols" and then scrolling down the right hand box
("Commands") to select "Nonbreaking space") and then looking to see what
key it says is assigned.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 11, 4:28 pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou
don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box
enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m getting two different spaces? I’m not
conscious of entering different spaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what these different spaces truly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I’m managing to produce them.

[Terry Farrell]

As Tony says, they are non-breaking spaces usually inserted using
Ctrl+Shift+Spacebar. They're purpose is to stop adjacent characters or words
from separating.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Judy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 11, 4:28 pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m getting two different spaces? I’m not
conscious of entering different spaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what these different spaces truly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I’m managing to produce them.

[Tony Jollans]

Sorry, not my day, is it? - and I was just about to correct myself to
Ctrl+Alt+Space! As you quite rightly say it is Ctrl+Shift+Space. I never use
en and em spaces - I didn't realise they displayed the same.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Sorry, Tony, Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen is something entirely else. To insert a
nonbreaking space, you use Ctrl+Shift+Spacebar. There's a chance, of
course, that the degree symbol in this instance represents an en or em
space. The best way to find out what it is is to select one and go to the
Symbol dialog and see what's selected, or to select it and press Alt+X and
see what Unicode glyph number is returned (00A0 for a nonbreaking space,
2002 for an en space, 2003 for an em space).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
My apologies, I did get the find and replace the wrong way round - you
should, of course, replace all ^s with space; I'm sorry if you find that
burdensome; you could record a macro to run which would be a little
easier.

I have told you what the different spaces truly are. The non-breaking
spaces may - in some circumstances - be automatically added, but not, as
far as I know, when the language is set to English.

To enter them manually you press Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen, but it is possible you
have a different key combination assigned which may be easier to
accidentally press. You can check by going to the Customize Keyboard
dialogue (in Word 2007: Office Button Word Options Customize tab
(keyboard) Customize button; in earlier versions: Tools Customize
Keyboard button) and scrolling down the left hand box ("Categories") to
select "Common Symbols" and then scrolling down the right hand box
("Commands") to select "Nonbreaking space") and then looking to see what
key it says is assigned.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 11, 4:28 pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou
don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box
enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I'm getting two different spaces? I'm not
conscious of entering different spaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what these different spaces truly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I'm managing to produce them.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

They don't display exactly the same (see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/NonPrintChars.htm), but they might
appear the same to (or be described the same by) someone who is not familiar
with them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
Sorry, not my day, is it? - and I was just about to correct myself to
Ctrl+Alt+Space! As you quite rightly say it is Ctrl+Shift+Space. I never
use en and em spaces - I didn't realise they displayed the same.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Sorry, Tony, Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen is something entirely else. To insert a
nonbreaking space, you use Ctrl+Shift+Spacebar. There's a chance, of
course, that the degree symbol in this instance represents an en or em
space. The best way to find out what it is is to select one and go to the
Symbol dialog and see what's selected, or to select it and press Alt+X
and see what Unicode glyph number is returned (00A0 for a nonbreaking
space, 2002 for an en space, 2003 for an em space).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com wrote in message
...
My apologies, I did get the find and replace the wrong way round - you
should, of course, replace all ^s with space; I'm sorry if you find that
burdensome; you could record a macro to run which would be a little
easier.

I have told you what the different spaces truly are. The non-breaking
spaces may - in some circumstances - be automatically added, but not, as
far as I know, when the language is set to English.

To enter them manually you press Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen, but it is possible you
have a different key combination assigned which may be easier to
accidentally press. You can check by going to the Customize Keyboard
dialogue (in Word 2007: Office Button Word Options Customize tab
(keyboard) Customize button; in earlier versions: Tools Customize
Keyboard button) and scrolling down the left hand box ("Categories") to
select "Common Symbols" and then scrolling down the right hand box
("Commands") to select "Nonbreaking space") and then looking to see what
key it says is assigned.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 11, 4:28 pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou
don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box
enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there are two different kinds of spaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I'm getting two different spaces? I'm not
conscious of entering different spaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what these different spaces truly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I'm managing to produce them.

[Judy]

On Nov 12, 7:37*am, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
My apologies, I did get the find and replace the wrong way round - you
should, of course, replace all ^s with space; I'm sorry if you find that
burdensome; you could record a macro to run which would be a little easier.

[Terry Farrell]

It sounds as though Word is using the AutoCorrect feature to switch your
input to an ISO date/time format. I never noticed that it used non-breaking
spaces before reading this thread. You can turn off the feature to test to
see if it stops occurring.

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"Judy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 7:37 am, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:
My apologies, I did get the find and replace the wrong way round - you
should, of course, replace all ^s with space; I'm sorry if you find that
burdensome; you could record a macro to run which would be a little
easier.

I have told you what thedifferentspacestruly are. The non-breakingspaces
may - in some circumstances - be automatically added, but not, as far as I
know, when the language is set to English.

To enter them manually you press Ctrl+Alt+Hyphen, but it is possible you
have adifferentkey combination assigned which may be easier to
accidentally press. You can check by going to the Customize Keyboard
dialogue (in Word 2007: Office Button Word Options Customize tab
(keyboard) Customize button; in earlier versions: Tools Customize
Keyboard button) and scrolling down the left hand box ("Categories") to
select "Common Symbols" and then scrolling down the right hand box
("Commands") to select "Nonbreaking space") and then looking to see what
key
it says is assigned.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
On Nov 11, 4:28 pm, "Tony Jollans" My forename at my surname dot com
wrote:





I can't tell you why you're getting them - are you copying and pasting
external text perhaps but the dot is a normal space and the circle is a
non-breaking space that you can use to stop lines breaking wher eyou
don't
want them to. You can use Find and Replace to change them all to normal
spaces: in the Find box enter a single space, and in the Replace box
enter
^s (caret, letter ess), and then press Replace All.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Judy" wrote in message

...
I have a doc with a table where the first paragraph is in date form
like: 2008 10 11 z 1730 for 1800 B. By clicking on Show/Hide I can see
that there aretwodifferentkinds ofspaces: 2008*10*11
z&1730*for*1800&B, where * represents a space shown by a small black
dot and & a space shown by a small superscripted circle. In sorting a
* space comes before a & space. This can mess up the needed sort
order.

Can anyone tell me why I’m gettingtwodifferentspaces? I’m not
conscious of enteringdifferentspaces.

A. No copy and paste is involved. All are entered manually.
B. Find and Replace would be burdensome - not the solution in this
particular case. In fact replacing with ^s changes the dot to the
circle, which is the reverse of the need.
C. Surely someone knows what thesedifferentspacestruly are and
perhaps has an insight into how I’m managing to produce them.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks, Tony, yes I suppose it will have to be a macro.

I’ve analysed what’s happening and it seems weird to me.
I type only a single line: 2008*10*11*z*1730
As soon as I add a space after 1730 the * before 1730 changes to &
2008*10*11*z&1730*

I’ve done nothing but enter straightforward keystrokes.