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Autoformat for Lists
Hello,
I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. |
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If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List
Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. |
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If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List
Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. |
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And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. |
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And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab |
Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. |
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Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . |
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Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the
indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . |
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As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with
styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . |
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As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . |
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It doesn't work.
I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists,
unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of
"automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles isn't accepted in my organisation). This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working on a list. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . . |
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That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the
AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles isn't accepted in my organisation). This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working on a list. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . . |
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If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to
number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other method), or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which will give them the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory (and unpredictable at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily solved by giving users a custom toolbar from which they could apply the desired styles as easily as they could use the Bullets and Numbering buttons. You might approximate this by defining such styles and promoting them to top positions in the Quick Styles gallery (and look forward to Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization is much easier). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geoff332" wrote in message ... That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles isn't accepted in my organisation). This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working on a list. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . . |
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If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to
number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other method), or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which will give them the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory (and unpredictable at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily solved by giving users a custom toolbar from which they could apply the desired styles as easily as they could use the Bullets and Numbering buttons. You might approximate this by defining such styles and promoting them to top positions in the Quick Styles gallery (and look forward to Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization is much easier). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geoff332" wrote in message ... That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles isn't accepted in my organisation). This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working on a list. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . . |
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I believe you have summarized the key points in an excellent fashion. Not
the first time, and certainly not the last! :-) -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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I believe you have summarized the key points in an excellent fashion. Not
the first time, and certainly not the last! :-) -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . |
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You could also create a macro that applies the relevant styles and attach
the macro to a button on the Quick Access Toolbar. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other method), or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which will give them the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory (and unpredictable at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily solved by giving users a custom toolbar from which they could apply the desired styles as easily as they could use the Bullets and Numbering buttons. You might approximate this by defining such styles and promoting them to top positions in the Quick Styles gallery (and look forward to Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization is much easier). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geoff332" wrote in message ... That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles isn't accepted in my organisation). This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working on a list. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . . |
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You could also create a macro that applies the relevant styles and attach
the macro to a button on the Quick Access Toolbar. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If you disable the automatic lists, then users will either have to number/bullet lists manually (which would drive them to some other method), or they will use the buttons for Bullets and Numbering, which will give them the current default, which will often be unsatisfactory (and unpredictable at the least). In earlier versions, this was easily solved by giving users a custom toolbar from which they could apply the desired styles as easily as they could use the Bullets and Numbering buttons. You might approximate this by defining such styles and promoting them to top positions in the Quick Styles gallery (and look forward to Word 2010, in which Ribbon customization is much easier). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geoff332" wrote in message ... That's correct - I never know the 'correct' terminology - it's the AutoCorrect options that are causing problems. These problems can all be avoided by using styles. Unfortunately, getting users to use styles is, in all practical senses, impossible (even limiting the formatting to styles isn't accepted in my organisation). This would be solved if there's anyway to force Word to hold a currently selected list format, linked to a style? I suspect the answer's no, as it'd have to remember both a numbered and bulleted formats and it appears to dynamically create a style (based on something) every time you start working on a list. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I think you're at cross-purposes because you're using different meanings of "automatic." Stefan, you're talking about auto numbering (including bullets) as applied from the Bullets and Numbering dialog (or equivalent), as opposed to the Bullets and Numbering buttons. It would appear (from his reference to typing an asterisk) that "Geoff332" is talking about "Automatic numbered lists" and "Automatic bulleted lists" under "Apply as you type" on the AutoFormat As You Type tab of AutoCorrect Options. Since these AutoFormat options use the currently selected list format (or the default list format?), there is no way they are going to be satisfactory. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... And I'm saying that you can't control the indentation of automatic lists, unless you make use of styles. The List Paragraph style is of no help here, unfortunately. In the case of bullet formatting, it's fairly easy: teach users to press Ctrl+Shift+L, which applies the List Bullet style (in the template, you can modify the style to suit your needs). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... It doesn't work. I'm trying to control the lists created by autoformatting. When I type "* " Word automatically creates a list and applies the 'List Paragraph' style. Using the instructions you gave, I've changed the settings for this style and Word seems to remember that: that style now has the appropriate formatting set. However, if I delete the lists and repeat the autoformatting "* ", the list is created, the 'List Paragraph' style is applied, but the indents are the default indents, not the ones I changed it to. When I look at the styles assigned to the paragraph, I can see that additional direct formatting has been applied, changing the indent. I want to either control that direct formatting, or stop it being applied. I can always fix this by manually applying a list or paragraph style, but I know the users of this template won't do that, so want to change the default options. Everything I've done - including following your suggestions (and every variation I can think of on them) - hasn't worked. Thanks, Geoff. "Stefan Blom" wrote: As I wrote, you *can* do this assuming that you associate the changes with styles (a list style or multiple paragraph styles, one per numbering level). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem. I can easily change the indents on a list I've already created. I can't work out how to change the indents that Word uses when autoformatting lists. It appears that the latter is hard coded somewhere and can't be changed. Thanks. "Stefan Blom" wrote: And if you are creating outline (multilevel) numbering, use Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel List. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... If you are trying to change the "default" indentation by modifying the List Paragraph style, you won't succeed. Instead, create a paragraph style with the desired numbering setup, and store the style in your template. For a single-level list you should use the Adjust List Indents dialog box to set the indentation that you want. Just right-click a list item and choose Adjust List Indents from the context menu (or click to select the actual paragraph number, which is sometimes more reliable, and then right-click). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Geoff332" wrote in message ... Hello, I'm increasingly annoyed with the autoformatting behaviour in Word 2007. The problem is, no matter what I do, Word applies indents of 0.63cm for all autoformatted lists. I've tried changing the styles, but you can't seem to access the indents for the default list styles. I can make the changes I need to multi-level lists and I can easily apply changes to lists created. The List Paragraph formatting now reads: "Indent: Left: 1 cm, Hanging: 0.5 cm, Right: 1 cm, Left, Bulleted + Level: 1 + Aligned at: 1 cm + Indent at: 1.63 cm, Based on: Normal". I can see exactly what needs to be changed, but I can't find a way to change it. The problem is, I'm not the only one using the template I'm trying to create and other people won't make these manual changes. So I need to know if this can be changed or not. Thanks, Geoff. . . . |
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