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microsoft word equation vertical alignment and display font sizeissue
In Microsoft Word 2003, when I add a new inline equation into a large
word document (50+ pages with tables, equations), the equation vertically aligns with text around it well, i.e., bottom aligned. Overtime, this document grows so huge, that I'd like to either copy paste the entire document into a new document, or save it as a new document, to shrink the file size, and prevent frequent crash of word. But either way, in the new document that I created, or saved as, all equation now shows up slightly smaller than it is in the original document, and it sits slightly higher than the text around it (when looking at the bottom of the equation and the text). If I double click the equation, going into edit mode, but don't make any change and go back to word immediately, then the equation displays normal again, i.e., the equation font now looks normal (same as it was in the original document), and vertically align well with text around it. This is office 2003 professional on Windows 7. But I believe this problem appears in multiple versions of word (2000, XP), and on both Windows XP and 7. |
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microsoft word equation vertical alignment and display font size issue
The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keep
styles separately for each equation, the way that MathType can. You may be successful when inserting equations, to have them set to several different font & size styles, but as you discovered, when you save and reopen the document, it's not as you left it. Copying a large Word document and pasting it into another is probably not ever a good idea, even if the new document starts out as a blank document. If you absolutely have to keep it as one document, there are a few things you can do to reduce the file size, but you should give primary consideration to making several smaller documents in place of the large one. You've seen one problem that can arise with the equations, but as a rule we don't recommend copying an equation from one document and pasting into another (or even within the same one). Actually that'll work out all right some of the time, and perhaps even most of the time, but at some point Word will lose some of the OLE information in the equation object (that's the information that tells it the object came from Equation Editor). If that happens, you'll probably not know it right away; you'll only discover it when you try to edit the equation, but Word thinks it's a picture, and won't open it up in Equation Editor. The way to prevent this is to copy the equation, open Equation Editor as if you were going to create a new equation, then paste the equation inside the equation editing space and close Equation Editor. None of these are perfect solutions, but keeping the document size "small" to begin with is the closest you'll come to a perfect solution. The definition of "small" all depends on how many objects are in the document -- equations, pictures, charts, etc. -- and how it's formatted. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 28-Feb-2010, ion wrote: In Microsoft Word 2003, when I add a new inline equation into a large word document (50+ pages with tables, equations), the equation vertically aligns with text around it well, i.e., bottom aligned. Overtime, this document grows so huge, that I'd like to either copy paste the entire document into a new document, or save it as a new document, to shrink the file size, and prevent frequent crash of word. But either way, in the new document that I created, or saved as, all equation now shows up slightly smaller than it is in the original document, and it sits slightly higher than the text around it (when looking at the bottom of the equation and the text). If I double click the equation, going into edit mode, but don't make any change and go back to word immediately, then the equation displays normal again, i.e., the equation font now looks normal (same as it was in the original document), and vertically align well with text around it. |
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microsoft word equation vertical alignment and display font size issue
The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keep styles separately for each equation, the way that MathType can. You may be successful when inserting equations, to have them set to several different font & size styles, but as you discovered, when you save and reopen the document, it's not as you left it. Copying a large Word document and pasting it into another is probably not ever a good idea, even if the new document starts out as a blank document. If you absolutely have to keep it as one document, there are a few things you can do to reduce the file size, but you should give primary consideration to making several smaller documents in place of the large one. You've seen one problem that can arise with the equations, but as a rule we don't recommend copying an equation from one document and pasting into another (or even within the same one). Actually that'll work out all right some of the time, and perhaps even most of the time, but at some point Word will lose some of the OLE information in the equation object (that's the information that tells it the object came from Equation Editor). If that happens, you'll probably not know it right away; you'll only discover it when you try to edit the equation, but Word thinks it's a picture, and won't open it up in Equation Editor. The way to prevent this is to copy the equation, open Equation Editor as if you were going to create a new equation, then paste the equation inside the equation editing space and close Equation Editor. None of these are perfect solutions, but keeping the document size "small" to begin with is the closest you'll come to a perfect solution. The definition of "small" all depends on how many objects are in the document -- equations, pictures, charts, etc. -- and how it's formatted. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 28-Feb-2010, ion wrote: In Microsoft Word 2003, when I add a new inline equation into a large word document (50+ pages with tables, equations), the equation vertically aligns with text around it well, i.e., bottom aligned. Overtime, this document grows so huge, that I'd like to either copy paste the entire document into a new document, or save it as a new document, to shrink the file size, and prevent frequent crash of word. But either way, in the new document that I created, or saved as, all equation now shows up slightly smaller than it is in the original document, and it sits slightly higher than the text around it (when looking at the bottom of the equation and the text). If I double click the equation, going into edit mode, but don't make any change and go back to word immediately, then the equation displays normal again, i.e., the equation font now looks normal (same as it was in the original document), and vertically align well with text around it. |
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microsoft word equation vertical alignment and display font sizeissue
Thanks for your reply, Bob!
I didn't use any special font of format in the equation, all being default. If even given that, word still cannot remember how it should be displayed, then it seems like a bug. It seems like an even worse bug if word would even lose memory about the fact that this OLE object is an equation, instead of an image. I was trying to shrink file size by copying and pasting into a new file, or just save as a new file name, as I have read discussion where some people claim that word file size grow large is usually due to word trying to remember too much history/version etc, therefore saving as a new file name, or copy past into a blank new document would usually reduce the file size. This is in fact the case for me, except that I experienced the equation size issue after that. But again, I experience the same equation display size issue even if I just save the file to a new file name. So I am not very convinced that the equation display issue is due to copying and pasting into a new document. On Feb 28, 10:10*pm, "Bob Mathews" wrote: The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keep styles separately for each equation, the way that MathType can. You may be successful when inserting equations, to have them set to several different font & size styles, but as you discovered, when you save and reopen the document, it's not as you left it. Copying a large Word document and pasting it into another is probably not ever a good idea, even if the new document starts out as a blank document. If you absolutely have to keep it as one document, there are a few things you can do to reduce the file size, but you should give primary consideration to making several smaller documents in place of the large one. You've seen one problem that can arise with the equations, but as a rule we don't recommend copying an equation from one document and pasting into another (or even within the same one). Actually that'll work out all right some of the time, and perhaps even most of the time, but at some point Word will lose some of the OLE information in the equation object (that's the information that tells it the object came from Equation Editor). If that happens, you'll probably not know it right away; you'll only discover it when you try to edit the equation, but Word thinks it's a picture, and won't open it up in Equation Editor. The way to prevent this is to copy the equation, open Equation Editor as if you were going to create a new equation, then paste the equation inside the equation editing space and close Equation Editor. None of these are perfect solutions, but keeping the document size "small" to begin with is the closest you'll come to a perfect solution. The definition of "small" all depends on how many objects are in the document -- equations, pictures, charts, etc. -- and how it's formatted. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.comhttp://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 28-Feb-2010, ion wrote: In Microsoft Word 2003, when I add a new inline equation into a large word document (50+ pages with tables, equations), the equation vertically aligns with text around it well, i.e., bottom aligned. Overtime, this document grows so huge, that I'd like to either copy paste the entire document into a new document, or save it as a new document, to shrink the file size, and prevent frequent crash of word. But either way, in the new document that I created, or saved as, all equation now shows up slightly smaller than it is in the original document, and it sits slightly higher than the text around it (when looking at the bottom of the equation and the text). If I double click the equation, going into edit mode, but don't make any change and go back to word immediately, then the equation displays normal again, i.e., the equation font now looks normal (same as it was in the original document), and vertically align well with text around it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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microsoft word equation vertical alignment and display font sizeissue
Thanks for your reply, Bob!
I didn't use any special font of format in the equation, all being default. If even given that, word still cannot remember how it should be displayed, then it seems like a bug. It seems like an even worse bug if word would even lose memory about the fact that this OLE object is an equation, instead of an image. I was trying to shrink file size by copying and pasting into a new file, or just save as a new file name, as I have read discussion where some people claim that word file size grow large is usually due to word trying to remember too much history/version etc, therefore saving as a new file name, or copy past into a blank new document would usually reduce the file size. This is in fact the case for me, except that I experienced the equation size issue after that. But again, I experience the same equation display size issue even if I just save the file to a new file name. So I am not very convinced that the equation display issue is due to copying and pasting into a new document. On Feb 28, 10:10*pm, "Bob Mathews" wrote: The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keep styles separately for each equation, the way that MathType can. You may be successful when inserting equations, to have them set to several different font & size styles, but as you discovered, when you save and reopen the document, it's not as you left it. Copying a large Word document and pasting it into another is probably not ever a good idea, even if the new document starts out as a blank document. If you absolutely have to keep it as one document, there are a few things you can do to reduce the file size, but you should give primary consideration to making several smaller documents in place of the large one. You've seen one problem that can arise with the equations, but as a rule we don't recommend copying an equation from one document and pasting into another (or even within the same one). Actually that'll work out all right some of the time, and perhaps even most of the time, but at some point Word will lose some of the OLE information in the equation object (that's the information that tells it the object came from Equation Editor). If that happens, you'll probably not know it right away; you'll only discover it when you try to edit the equation, but Word thinks it's a picture, and won't open it up in Equation Editor. The way to prevent this is to copy the equation, open Equation Editor as if you were going to create a new equation, then paste the equation inside the equation editing space and close Equation Editor. None of these are perfect solutions, but keeping the document size "small" to begin with is the closest you'll come to a perfect solution. The definition of "small" all depends on how many objects are in the document -- equations, pictures, charts, etc. -- and how it's formatted. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.comhttp://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 28-Feb-2010, ion wrote: In Microsoft Word 2003, when I add a new inline equation into a large word document (50+ pages with tables, equations), the equation vertically aligns with text around it well, i.e., bottom aligned. Overtime, this document grows so huge, that I'd like to either copy paste the entire document into a new document, or save it as a new document, to shrink the file size, and prevent frequent crash of word. But either way, in the new document that I created, or saved as, all equation now shows up slightly smaller than it is in the original document, and it sits slightly higher than the text around it (when looking at the bottom of the equation and the text). If I double click the equation, going into edit mode, but don't make any change and go back to word immediately, then the equation displays normal again, i.e., the equation font now looks normal (same as it was in the original document), and vertically align well with text around it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Hi Bob!
Help me please! How can I extract baseline information from MathType and Equation OLE objects? I read MathType SDK documentation section about extracting this information from WMF, but I can?t find how to extract baseline info from OLE objects. Here is text from MathType SDK documentation: Applications that support baseline positioning can process all objects at import/editing time by either scanning the metafile as described above or, if the object is an OLE object (Microsoft?s Object Linking and Embedding technology), performance may be increased by checking first to see if the object is a MathType/Equation Editor equation object. Thanks for your answers. Vladislav Erokhin Bob Mathews wrote: The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keepstyles 01-Mar-10 The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keep styles separately for each equation, the way that MathType can. You may be successful when inserting equations, to have them set to several different font & size styles, but as you discovered, when you save and reopen the document, it is not as you left it. Copying a large Word document and pasting it into another is probably not ever a good idea, even if the new document starts out as a blank document. If you absolutely have to keep it as one document, there are a few things you can do to reduce the file size, but you should give primary consideration to making several smaller documents in place of the large one. You've seen one problem that can arise with the equations, but as a rule we do not recommend copying an equation from one document and pasting into another (or even within the same one). Actually that will work out all right some of the time, and perhaps even most of the time, but at some point Word will lose some of the OLE information in the equation object (that is the information that tells it the object came from Equation Editor). If that happens, you will probably not know it right away; you will only discover it when you try to edit the equation, but Word thinks it is a picture, and will not open it up in Equation Editor. The way to prevent this is to copy the equation, open Equation Editor as if you were going to create a new equation, then paste the equation inside the equation editing space and close Equation Editor. None of these are perfect solutions, but keeping the document size "small" to begin with is the closest you will come to a perfect solution. The definition of "small" all depends on how many objects are in the document -- equations, pictures, charts, etc. -- and how it is formatted. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 28-Feb-2010, ion wrote: Previous Posts In This Thread: Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice WPF Custom Validation Using the Enterprise Library http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...ation-usi.aspx |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Hi Bob! Help me please! How can I extract baseline information from MathType and Equation OLE objects? I read MathType SDK documentation section about extracting this information from WMF, but I can?t find how to extract baseline info from OLE objects. Here is text from MathType SDK documentation: Applications that support baseline positioning can process all objects at import/editing time by either scanning the metafile as described above or, if the object is an OLE object (Microsoft?s Object Linking and Embedding technology), performance may be increased by checking first to see if the object is a MathType/Equation Editor equation object. Thanks for your answers. Vladislav Erokhin Bob Mathews wrote: The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keepstyles 01-Mar-10 The "size" issue is because the equation editor is not able to keep styles separately for each equation, the way that MathType can. You may be successful when inserting equations, to have them set to several different font & size styles, but as you discovered, when you save and reopen the document, it is not as you left it. Copying a large Word document and pasting it into another is probably not ever a good idea, even if the new document starts out as a blank document. If you absolutely have to keep it as one document, there are a few things you can do to reduce the file size, but you should give primary consideration to making several smaller documents in place of the large one. You've seen one problem that can arise with the equations, but as a rule we do not recommend copying an equation from one document and pasting into another (or even within the same one). Actually that will work out all right some of the time, and perhaps even most of the time, but at some point Word will lose some of the OLE information in the equation object (that is the information that tells it the object came from Equation Editor). If that happens, you will probably not know it right away; you will only discover it when you try to edit the equation, but Word thinks it is a picture, and will not open it up in Equation Editor. The way to prevent this is to copy the equation, open Equation Editor as if you were going to create a new equation, then paste the equation inside the equation editing space and close Equation Editor. None of these are perfect solutions, but keeping the document size "small" to begin with is the closest you will come to a perfect solution. The definition of "small" all depends on how many objects are in the document -- equations, pictures, charts, etc. -- and how it is formatted. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 28-Feb-2010, ion wrote: Previous Posts In This Thread: Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice WPF Custom Validation Using the Enterprise Library http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...ation-usi.aspx |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Hi Vladislav,
Hope these thoughts are of some help... The MathType SDK includes a sample called "OLECont" that demonstrates how to get the baseline info from an OLE object by enumerating the embedded WMF. If you are working with equations that are being copied to the clipboard, you can also use the function MTGetLastDimension to retrieve the baseline. This function is described in the MathType API documentation. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 11-Mar-2010, Vladislav Yerokhin wrote: Help me please! How can I extract baseline information from MathType and Equation OLE objects? I read MathType SDK documentation section about extracting this information from WMF, but I can't find how to extract baseline info from OLE objects. |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Hi Vladislav,
Hope these thoughts are of some help... The MathType SDK includes a sample called "OLECont" that demonstrates how to get the baseline info from an OLE object by enumerating the embedded WMF. If you are working with equations that are being copied to the clipboard, you can also use the function MTGetLastDimension to retrieve the baseline. This function is described in the MathType API documentation. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 11-Mar-2010, Vladislav Yerokhin wrote: Help me please! How can I extract baseline information from MathType and Equation OLE objects? I read MathType SDK documentation section about extracting this information from WMF, but I can't find how to extract baseline info from OLE objects. |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Thanks, Bob!
Your reply is helpful. This approach is applicable only to MathType. This is approximately 75% of the formulas in our documents. But we have formulas edited in Microsoft Equation. I need to write a program that iterates on the formulas in the Word document and sets vertical alignment to baseline. How Microsoft Equation or MathType sends baseline information to Word when equation editor updates formula? |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Thanks, Bob!
Your reply is helpful. This approach is applicable only to MathType. This is approximately 75% of the formulas in our documents. But we have formulas edited in Microsoft Equation. I need to write a program that iterates on the formulas in the Word document and sets vertical alignment to baseline. How Microsoft Equation or MathType sends baseline information to Word when equation editor updates formula? |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Vladislav, in the SDK is a function named ConvertEquations. This will
convert the Equation Editor equations into MathType equations. If you use this function, you'll be able to get the baseline info. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 15-Mar-2010, Vladislav Yerokhin wrote: This approach is applicable only to MathType. This is approximately 75% of the formulas in our documents. But we have formulas edited in Microsoft Equation. |
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Baseline info in MathType and Equation OLE objects
Vladislav, in the SDK is a function named ConvertEquations. This will
convert the Equation Editor equations into MathType equations. If you use this function, you'll be able to get the baseline info. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor On 15-Mar-2010, Vladislav Yerokhin wrote: This approach is applicable only to MathType. This is approximately 75% of the formulas in our documents. But we have formulas edited in Microsoft Equation. |
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