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Zero Width Space
I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became
corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. |
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mcp6453 wrote:
I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. Further, when Show Paragraphs is turned on, the displayed symbol looks like this (ASCII drawing) but obviously much smaller: XXXXXXX X XXX X X X X X X X X X X X X X X XXX X XXXXXXX |
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Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign
a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. |
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And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this
webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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Hello Daiya-
Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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Thanks, CyberTaz.
Okay, that's a Win/Mac difference--the Mac version doesn't have either of those in the Special Characters dialog. Good to know. I haven't a clue myself, but the webpage I cited suggests the rectangle within rectangle is just the zero width space, and by the description of the action, the poster does want it to break. Will you double-check in WinWord, as if the webpage is wrong, it ought to get fixed? http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Daiya On 3/10/05 5:47 AM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Hello Daiya- Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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Ahah- So you're another cross-platform junkie like mysef, huh?
I did check before I posted and used both in a Word document to verify. The No Width Non Break is represented by the rect w/in a rect & the No Width Optional Break is represented by a vertical bar that lookes like the 'pipe' character. Have not had a chance to visit the site, but I wouldn't have any impact on that, anyway. Thanks for the reply |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Thanks, CyberTaz. Okay, that's a Win/Mac difference--the Mac version doesn't have either of those in the Special Characters dialog. Good to know. I haven't a clue myself, but the webpage I cited suggests the rectangle within rectangle is just the zero width space, and by the description of the action, the poster does want it to break. Will you double-check in WinWord, as if the webpage is wrong, it ought to get fixed? http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Daiya On 3/10/05 5:47 AM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Hello Daiya- Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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In WinWord (at least here) the double-bordered rectangle is the No-Width
Optional Break. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "CyberTaz" wrote in message ... Ahah- So you're another cross-platform junkie like mysef, huh? I did check before I posted and used both in a Word document to verify. The No Width Non Break is represented by the rect w/in a rect & the No Width Optional Break is represented by a vertical bar that lookes like the 'pipe' character. Have not had a chance to visit the site, but I wouldn't have any impact on that, anyway. Thanks for the reply |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Thanks, CyberTaz. Okay, that's a Win/Mac difference--the Mac version doesn't have either of those in the Special Characters dialog. Good to know. I haven't a clue myself, but the webpage I cited suggests the rectangle within rectangle is just the zero width space, and by the description of the action, the poster does want it to break. Will you double-check in WinWord, as if the webpage is wrong, it ought to get fixed? http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Daiya On 3/10/05 5:47 AM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Hello Daiya- Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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I don't think you can insert the "real" zero-width space from "Insert =
Symbol Special characters" in any version. In some version(s) (not sure which... Word2000, Word2002 I think), there = are entries for the "zero width space" and "zero width no break space" = in "Insert Symbol Special characters" (at the very bottom). But if you try, other, non-functional characters are inserted (U+200C, = U+200D). In Word2003, those (wrong) two are still there, but their names have = changed a bit, at least in the German version (... still not conforming = to the Unicode Standard, but less easy to confuse). Plus, both have now changed their appearance in Word2003 (formerly like = the pipe symbol with a button at the top, as CyberTaz mentioned) to look = exactly like the "zero width space" and "no break space" shudder. So better use 200B, Alt+X. Or Alt+8203. Or hunt U+200B down in "Insert = Symbol" in some large Unicode font like "Arial Unicode MS" (... it's = only shown in large fonts, but works in all fonts). Greetings Klaus "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: In WinWord (at least here) the double-bordered rectangle is the = No-Width Optional Break. =20 --=20 Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the = newsgroup so all may benefit. =20 "CyberTaz" wrote in message ... Ahah- So you're another cross-platform junkie like mysef, huh? I did check before I posted and used both in a Word document to = verify. The No Width Non Break is represented by the rect w/in a rect & the = No Width Optional Break is represented by a vertical bar that lookes like the 'pipe' character. Have not had a chance to visit the site, but I wouldn't have any = impact on that, anyway. Thanks for the reply |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Thanks, CyberTaz. Okay, that's a Win/Mac difference--the Mac version doesn't have = either of those in the Special Characters dialog. Good to know. I haven't a clue myself, but the webpage I cited suggests the = rectangle within rectangle is just the zero width space, and by the = description of the action, the poster does want it to break. Will you double-check = in WinWord, as if the webpage is wrong, it ought to get fixed? http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Daiya On 3/10/05 5:47 AM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Hello Daiya- Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the = same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below = No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a = Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing = character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be = blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no = "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before = normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero = width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does = nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine = what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | = Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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Hi Suzanne-
I don't know what to tell you, because I'm getting confused myself! Am working Word 2000 on a Win 2000 system today & I am getting something different than I got yesterday in Word 2003 on Win XP Pro. Today's results: No Width Optional Break = The Pipe-type symbol as described earlier ( * ) No Width No Break = Looks like a pipe with an x at the top end ( * ) So, the NWOB is the same, but the NWNB is not! I also went back to the Symbols page and selected General Punction from the Subset list, and these two are the first ones in the subset . Unfortunately Word 2000 doesn't describe the symbols with names or codes, so I went to both the Win 2000 & Win XP Character Map & found them as described below: Unicode 200C ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER (the plain pipe * ) Unicode 200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER (pipe w/x at top * ) I just went back to the XP system w/2003 to retrieve the Unicode info below and re-checked the symbols in a Word '03 doc. However, even though the symbols revealed in Word 2000 are as shown above, the same items display differently when inserted in Word 2003. They BOTH look like a "rectangle within a rectangle" as described by the poster, but the inner rectangle of one is solid, the other is empty. Also, the color of both is bluish rather than the black or gray that the other non-printing characters use. I would be happy to write the whole thing off as an aberration on the system running Woed '03, except that what it shows matches up with what the poster described. Am interested in any clarification available. Thanks |:) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: In WinWord (at least here) the double-bordered rectangle is the No-Width Optional Break. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "CyberTaz" wrote in message ... Ahah- So you're another cross-platform junkie like mysef, huh? I did check before I posted and used both in a Word document to verify. The No Width Non Break is represented by the rect w/in a rect & the No Width Optional Break is represented by a vertical bar that lookes like the 'pipe' character. Have not had a chance to visit the site, but I wouldn't have any impact on that, anyway. Thanks for the reply |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Thanks, CyberTaz. Okay, that's a Win/Mac difference--the Mac version doesn't have either of those in the Special Characters dialog. Good to know. I haven't a clue myself, but the webpage I cited suggests the rectangle within rectangle is just the zero width space, and by the description of the action, the poster does want it to break. Will you double-check in WinWord, as if the webpage is wrong, it ought to get fixed? http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Daiya On 3/10/05 5:47 AM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Hello Daiya- Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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Read Klaus's post and despair further!
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "CyberTaz" wrote in message ... Hi Suzanne- I don't know what to tell you, because I'm getting confused myself! Am working Word 2000 on a Win 2000 system today & I am getting something different than I got yesterday in Word 2003 on Win XP Pro. Today's results: No Width Optional Break = The Pipe-type symbol as described earlier ( * ) No Width No Break = Looks like a pipe with an x at the top end ( * ) So, the NWOB is the same, but the NWNB is not! I also went back to the Symbols page and selected General Punction from the Subset list, and these two are the first ones in the subset . Unfortunately Word 2000 doesn't describe the symbols with names or codes, so I went to both the Win 2000 & Win XP Character Map & found them as described below: Unicode 200C ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER (the plain pipe * ) Unicode 200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER (pipe w/x at top * ) I just went back to the XP system w/2003 to retrieve the Unicode info below and re-checked the symbols in a Word '03 doc. However, even though the symbols revealed in Word 2000 are as shown above, the same items display differently when inserted in Word 2003. They BOTH look like a "rectangle within a rectangle" as described by the poster, but the inner rectangle of one is solid, the other is empty. Also, the color of both is bluish rather than the black or gray that the other non-printing characters use. I would be happy to write the whole thing off as an aberration on the system running Woed '03, except that what it shows matches up with what the poster described. Am interested in any clarification available. Thanks |:) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: In WinWord (at least here) the double-bordered rectangle is the No-Width Optional Break. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "CyberTaz" wrote in message ... Ahah- So you're another cross-platform junkie like mysef, huh? I did check before I posted and used both in a Word document to verify. The No Width Non Break is represented by the rect w/in a rect & the No Width Optional Break is represented by a vertical bar that lookes like the 'pipe' character. Have not had a chance to visit the site, but I wouldn't have any impact on that, anyway. Thanks for the reply |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Thanks, CyberTaz. Okay, that's a Win/Mac difference--the Mac version doesn't have either of those in the Special Characters dialog. Good to know. I haven't a clue myself, but the webpage I cited suggests the rectangle within rectangle is just the zero width space, and by the description of the action, the poster does want it to break. Will you double-check in WinWord, as if the webpage is wrong, it ought to get fixed? http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Daiya On 3/10/05 5:47 AM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Hello Daiya- Poster didn't mention a version, so it may be different in prior versions, but I'm referring to 2003. (Just checked Word 2000 and it is the same there... last item in the Special Characters list, right below No Width Optional Break.) You're quite correct about the literal statement pertaining to a Zero Space, but I was going more by the description of the non-printing character symbol the user described... rectangle inside rectangle. Regards |:) "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). On 3/9/05 1:25 PM, "CyberTaz" wrote: Go to InsertSymbolSpecial Characters and locate No-Width Non Break, assign a keystroke to it if you wish. HTH |:) "mcp6453" wrote: I'm trying to get Word back to the way I had it before normal.dot became corrupted. One macro or keyboard assignment I had was a zero width space that, unless a line wants to wrap at that point, it does nothing. When Show Paragraph is activated, it shows up as a small vertical rectangle inside of another vertical rectangle. How can I determine what code it is? I've tried the symbols it Tools | Customize | Keyboard | Common Symbols, and it is neither on the "Non Breaking" options. - |
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In-line...
On 3/10/05 3:53 PM, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Read Klaus's post and despair further! I've been despairing since yesterday, now, I think.... Klaus is the expert, though. CyberTaz wrote: I would be happy to write the whole thing off as an aberration on the system running Woed '03, except that what it shows matches up with what the poster described. Am interested in any clarification available. No, I think you don't have to worry about that. The OP wanted a zero width breaking space, which is 200B, and 200B shows up in WinWord 2003 as a double bordered rectangle, all as according to the mvp webpage, and that's what the poster described as well. I think the closed double rectangle for the No width non break is just a coincidence that had you and I talking at cross-purposes, but is irrelevant to the original poster. Plenty of other aberrations around the no width no break to worry about, though. Daiya |
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Ahah- So you're another cross-platform junkie like mysef, huh?
No, there's just a better class of Word problems over here. I do have WinWord in VPC but am aggro every time I have to check something in it. I did check before I posted and used both in a Word document to verify. The No Width Non Break is represented by the rect w/in a rect & the No Width Optional Break is represented by a vertical bar that lookes like the 'pipe' character. Have not had a chance to visit the site, but I wouldn't have any impact on that, anyway. No, if it were wrong, I can get the other mvps to fix it. I just wanted confirmation you weren't misremembering before I bothered everyone else with it. But I think it was just confusion between the closed and empty double rectangles, as I finally booted up windows (with much rolling of eyes and checked it myself, and the webpage is right. Daiya |
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Daiya Mitchell wrote:
And if you can't find it there (as I can't, but I may be blind), see this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/NoWidthSpace.htm Though actually what you want is just a zero-width space (no "non break" about it). This page shows exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks. That must have been where I got it originally. The optional space is very handy to put after a forward slash (/) to allow wrapping at the end of a physical line. |
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