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Table Format Style vs. Table Text Style
I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table"
to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will
transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif
font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and
will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are).
So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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Table Format Style vs. Table Text Style
Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed
that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I started. - Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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I don't think restoring Normal to factory default does it. If you
start a fresh document, where Normal hasn't beeen modified at all, do you still see the same problem? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I started. - Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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I'm not talking about the Normal Template. I have not changed that. I'm
talking about the Normal Style in my own Template, which just sets margins and a few Styles for documents based on that template. Also, restoring the Normal style did cause the first table to work. Specifically, When I had set the Normal style in my template set to use the Sabon font at 10.5 points and set Table style to Interstate font at 8.5 points, the table I created instead used Sabon 10.5. Then, when I reset the Normal style to use Times New Roman 12 point, my Table correctly switched to Interstate 8.5. To hold the body font, I used the Body Text style. But the second table I created appeared back as Sabon 10.5, even while the first table was still correct. - Colin Word 2003, Win XP, all SP's applied to both "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I don't think restoring Normal to factory default does it. If you start a fresh document, where Normal hasn't beeen modified at all, do you still see the same problem? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I started. - Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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No, now I found a work-around, but this remains weird (at least to me...
maybe this will be obvious to someone else). If under style I select "Clear Formatting" inside the table cell, it then successfully reverts to the Table Style. I never tried that when I had Normal defined, but I don't think it would have worked based on the style names in use where the problem occurs. This seems to work reliably. - Colin "WebColin" wrote in message ... You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I started. - Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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Table Format Style vs. Table Text Style
I was referring to the Normal *style*, too, in my previous reply. What
I meant to say was that restoring the Normal style (to its factory default settings) may not restore the full functionality of table styles. Instead, you may have to use table styles in a document where Normal has *never* been modified. However, someone else might know more about this. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I'm not talking about the Normal Template. I have not changed that. I'm talking about the Normal Style in my own Template, which just sets margins and a few Styles for documents based on that template. Also, restoring the Normal style did cause the first table to work. Specifically, When I had set the Normal style in my template set to use the Sabon font at 10.5 points and set Table style to Interstate font at 8.5 points, the table I created instead used Sabon 10.5. Then, when I reset the Normal style to use Times New Roman 12 point, my Table correctly switched to Interstate 8.5. To hold the body font, I used the Body Text style. But the second table I created appeared back as Sabon 10.5, even while the first table was still correct. - Colin Word 2003, Win XP, all SP's applied to both "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I don't think restoring Normal to factory default does it. If you start a fresh document, where Normal hasn't beeen modified at all, do you still see the same problem? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I started. - Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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Table Format Style vs. Table Text Style
Hi Colin,
I was about to suggest that. If you are in a "Body Text" paragraph when you insert a table, that style will be applied "on top" in all the table cells (instead of "Normal"). "Clear Formatting" gets rid of that paragraph style (while [re]applying the table style does not). Greetings, Klaus "WebColin" wrote: No, now I found a work-around, but this remains weird (at least to me... maybe this will be obvious to someone else). If under style I select "Clear Formatting" inside the table cell, it then successfully reverts to the Table Style. I never tried that when I had Normal defined, but I don't think it would have worked based on the style names in use where the problem occurs. This seems to work reliably. - Colin "WebColin" wrote in message ... You know what, it's worse than that. I experimented and thought I confirmed that the problem with the Normal style and Table style affected both font and size (if either was set in Normal, it overrode any settings for Table style). So, I created a Body Text style and reset Normal back to how it started. However, after that worked for the first table, for subsequent tables, the Table style started copying from Body Text. It's as if the problem with Normal shifted to the Body Text style. So I'm back where I started. - Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Since I never use table styles, I'm a bit vague on all this, but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer your question. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... OK, hmm. That's an annoying bug (I guess they all are). So, that leads to a few questions: 1. What features of the Table Style are overridden by changes to the Normal Style? Is it just the font, or is there more? My Normal style specifies: font, Right margin, and Space After. It also says (but I think these are standard) Left, Line spacing: single, and Widow/Orphan control. 2. Is creating a new style (e.g. "Body Text") the best solution? 3. If I do create a new style (answer is Yes to #2), what should I define in Normal versus in that other style? Just the font? Is there a "best practices" on this? Something on one of those great MVP pages? Thanks so much, Colin "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Yes, there is something special about table styles. It's actually a bug and will be corrected in Word 12. If you modify the font of Normal style, then the table style reverts to the default Normal.dot Normal font (i.e., TNR 12). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "WebColin" wrote in message ... Yes, I changed the core font from Times New Roman to our specified serif font for this template. But the Table style font should override that, shouldn't it? All other styles based on Normal do (e.g., Headings). [In fact, while it's not technically important, I'd add that using the Normal style for tables is generally bad formatting. A typical table should be in a sans serifed font, whereas body text should be in a serifed font (if you question this, look in any magazine with tables). The only possible general purpose exception would be if you were using the table just to establish placement for various items, and not really as a conventional table.] Is there something special about Table Styles? If so, what should I do? I didn't see a solution or work around on the web page you listed. Is it to use a Body Text style instead of Normal for the bulk of the text? If Normal is unmodified, would the Table Style fonts work? Is there another way - I don't want to have to go through my docs and change my Normal text to another style. Thanks much, Colin "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Did you modify the font of the Normal style? If so, the settings will transfer to table styles. See the message by Klaus Linke in the thread at: http://groups.google.se/group/micros...0e16d9c49bac81 If you need more information, try searching the newsgroup archives at http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "WebColin" wrote in message ... I have defined a Table format, including setting the text for "Whole Table" to a specific font. But the text in the tables of that Style are still in the same font as the Normal style. This seems to be true both for preexisting tables and new tables I create with that table style. Of course I can manually set the font in the table or define another text style and apply that to the individual rows of text, but that's not supposed to be necessary. Considering the number of tables and the size of the document, I really don't want to have manually set the text in each table. Am I missing something? Thanks, Colin Word 2003, Windows XP all Office and OS SP's installed |
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