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Can someone tell me how can I achieve this kind of reference notation:

[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen, Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

The problem is that I need to repeat the author names in the same reference and I only get this: [Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Anon., n.d., Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

Is there any way I can modify my Harvard Anglia style to do this kind of formatting?

[zing]

Originally Posted by zing

Can someone tell me how can I achieve this kind of reference notation:

[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen, Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

The problem is that I need to repeat the author names in the same reference and I only get this: [Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Anon., n.d., Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

Is there any way I can modify my Harvard Anglia style to do this kind of formatting?

Seems that the problem can be overcome by adding :r -flag to the variable one is using

[Peter T. Daniels]

You may be in (sort of) luck. Presumably you downloaded Harvard Anglia
from Yves Dhondt's "bibword" site? Because it's a Style that he
devised, rather than a modification of a built-in Word style, you
_probably_ can meddle with it, using a modicum of XML programming, if
you can puzzle out the "guide" he offers at the website. (Download it
and print it out -- there's no way you can follow it on screen and
look at the file you're trying to understand at the same time.)
Unfortunately it's written for computer programmers rather than for
people who actually use bibliographies. I asked a programmer friend to
explain it to me, and with that help, I was able to correct the
mistakes(!) he'd made in the ASA style (and turn it into a true
Chicago style, which the one that comes with MSWord definitely isn't).

I cannot understand your example below -- I don't see where (or why)
you want to repeat an author's name. Do you want your reference list
to contain both the abbreviation, in a left column, and the reference
itself, in a right column?

It should be possible to do that, but fortunately I've never had to
use that kind of reference list (on the rare occasions when I see
them, they seem to waste an awful lot of paper!). He does go into how
to make a two-column bibliography, though only for *Science* and
similar styles were the references are assigned serial numbers that
then look like footnote references in the text. Presumably "all you
have to do" is adapt that format so that it uses the Author field
rather than a numerical code field.

On Sep 25, 9:20*am, zing wrote:
Can someone tell me how can I achieve this kind of reference notation:

[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen,
Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

*The problem is* that I need to repeat the author names in the same
reference and I only get this: [Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Anon.,
n.d., Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

Is there any way I can modify my Harvard Anglia style to do this kind of
formatting?

[zing]

Originally Posted by Peter T. Daniels

You may be in (sort of) luck. Presumably you downloaded Harvard Anglia
from Yves Dhondt's "bibword" site? Because it's a Style that he
devised, rather than a modification of a built-in Word style, you
_probably_ can meddle with it, using a modicum of XML programming, if
you can puzzle out the "guide" he offers at the website. (Download it
and print it out -- there's no way you can follow it on screen and
look at the file you're trying to understand at the same time.)
Unfortunately it's written for computer programmers rather than for
people who actually use bibliographies. I asked a programmer friend to
explain it to me, and with that help, I was able to correct the
mistakes(!) he'd made in the ASA style (and turn it into a true
Chicago style, which the one that comes with MSWord definitely isn't).

I cannot understand your example below -- I don't see where (or why)
you want to repeat an author's name. Do you want your reference list
to contain both the abbreviation, in a left column, and the reference
itself, in a right column?

It should be possible to do that, but fortunately I've never had to
use that kind of reference list (on the rare occasions when I see
them, they seem to waste an awful lot of paper!). He does go into how
to make a two-column bibliography, though only for *Science* and
similar styles were the references are assigned serial numbers that
then look like footnote references in the text. Presumably "all you
have to do" is adapt that format so that it uses the Author field
rather than a numerical code field.

On Sep 25, 9:20*am, zing wrote:
Can someone tell me how can I achieve this kind of reference notation:

[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen,
Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

*The problem is* that I need to repeat the author names in the same
reference and I only get this: [Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Anon.,
n.d., Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

Is there any way I can modify my Harvard Anglia style to do this kind of
formatting?

Thanks for your response! You were right I was using the style I got from the BibWord site. Luckily I actually am a part time programmer so the XST code was not all that bad to look at and Yves had made the content quite ok to modify also. I quite quickly made the reference list look how I wanted but the problem was how the variables were used. They are only counted once per occurrence and I presumed there had to be some flag or \-marking to make the repeating work and the r-flag does just that.

Our University, for some f**up reason, use their own totally non-standard citation and referencing style. In the text we use: [Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] and in the end References list:
[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen, Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

So by default I was not able to use the Author variable twice (first inside the brackets and then outside). But now it works when I give the r-flag to the first occurrence of Author variable.

When I've sent papers to other publication platforms and conferences I've used IEEE standard number reference list with either name or number sorting so they work quite nicely when automated. If one does those kind of references by hand one would go mad after two papers if they have more than 40 references

Btw, I would be interested to have the REAL / corrected Chicago reference style if you have it.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sep 25, 4:42*pm, zing wrote:
Peter T. Daniels;493327 Wrote:

You may be in (sort of) luck. Presumably you downloaded Harvard Anglia
from Yves Dhondt's "bibword" site? Because it's a Style that he
devised, rather than a modification of a built-in Word style, you
_probably_ can meddle with it, using a modicum of XML programming, if
you can puzzle out the "guide" he offers at the website. (Download it
and print it out -- there's no way you can follow it on screen and
look at the file you're trying to understand at the same time.)
Unfortunately it's written for computer programmers rather than for
people who actually use bibliographies. I asked a programmer friend to
explain it to me, and with that help, I was able to correct the
mistakes(!) he'd made in the ASA style (and turn it into a true
Chicago style, which the one that comes with MSWord definitely isn't).

I cannot understand your example below -- I don't see where (or why)
you want to repeat an author's name. Do you want your reference list
to contain both the abbreviation, in a left column, and the reference
itself, in a right column?

It should be possible to do that, but fortunately I've never had to
use that kind of reference list (on the rare occasions when I see
them, they seem to waste an awful lot of paper!). He does go into how
to make a two-column bibliography, though only for *Science* and
similar styles were the references are assigned serial numbers that
then look like footnote references in the text. Presumably "all you
have to do" is adapt that format so that it uses the Author field
rather than a numerical code field.

On Sep 25, 9:20*am, zing wrote:-
Can someone tell me how can I achieve this kind of reference notation:

[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen,
Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

*The problem is* that I need to repeat the author names in the same
reference and I only get this: [Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Anon.,
n.d., Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

Is there any way I can modify my Harvard Anglia style to do this kind
of
formatting?-

Thanks for your response! You were right I was using the style I got
from the BibWord site. Luckily I actually am a part time programmer so
the XST code was not all that bad to look at and Yves had made the
content quite ok to modify also. I quite quickly made the reference list
look how I wanted but the problem was how the variables were used. They
are only counted once per occurrence and I presumed there had to be some
flag or \-marking to make the repeating work and the *r-flag* does just
that.

If only I knew what an *r-flag* is ... the Guide only says "allows
multiple use of the parameter," without a hint of what that means or
how one would implement it.

The _real_ achievement would be to correct the mistakes in the styles
that come with Word, but that's apparently impossible because
virtually every command ends up leading to some sort of "local" coding
that's apparently inside the proprietery software somewhere.

Our University, for some f**up reason, use their own totally
non-standard citation and referencing style. In the text we use:
[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] and in the end References list:
[Järvinen ja Heikkinen, 2004] Kimmo Järvinen ja Topi Heikkinen,
Kehitysaskeleita tulevaisuuteen. Talentum, Helsinki, 2001.

So by default I was not able to use the Author variable twice (first
inside the brackets and then outside). But now it works when I give the
r-flag to the first occurrence of Author variable.

When I've sent papers to other publication platforms and conferences
I've used IEEE standard number reference list with either name or number
sorting so they work quite nicely when automated. If one does those kind
of references by hand one would go mad after two papers if they have
more than 40 references

Btw, I would be interested to have the *REAL / corrected* Chicago
reference style if you have it.

Well, it's actually the adaptation of it used by the publisher I'm
working for at the moment, but if you need to use real Chicago, it
could successfully be based on ASA* style -- because it's just about
the only one that orders the bibliography by author, then date. In
just about all the other styles, they're ordered alphabetically by
title within an author even when the date comes before the title in
the formatting.

I have no idea at all what he's talking about with his scheme to
somehow add the a and b to same-author, same-year works. I've gotten
around that by "Modify Source" and NOT ok'ing "Change in Master Source
List also?" (or however it reads).

One of the many problems with built-in Chicago is that it SOMETIMES
replaces a repeated author with a dash (should be a 3-em dash, but no
matter); it looks like it was told to look for repetition between some
Types but not all. (Yves explicitly says that you need to do that
manually. Happily, more and more style sheets no longer use a dash for
repeated names.)