I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font. I can do
it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay as a permanent
change. What am I doing wrong ?

If you are simply changing the font formatting in a document, that is the
only one that will be affected. In order to change the default font go to
FormatFont & make the settings you wish. Then click the Default button
(lower left corner of the dialog box) and confirm Yes to the prompt. Any new
docs you create will have those specs, but any previously created docs will
not be changed.

HTH |:)

"Geoff Barrett" wrote:

I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font. I can do
it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay as a permanent
change. What am I doing wrong ?

You will of course have to ensure that the changes are written to
normal.dot. Ensure tools options save prompt to save normal.dot is
checked and agree to save it when prompted on exit from Word (or SHIFT+File
Save All to force a save)

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
If you are simply changing the font formatting in a document, that is
the only one that will be affected. In order to change the default
font go to FormatFont & make the settings you wish. Then click the
Default button (lower left corner of the dialog box) and confirm Yes
to the prompt. Any new docs you create will have those specs, but any
previously created docs will not be changed.

HTH |:)

"Geoff Barrett" wrote:

I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font. I
can do it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay as a
permanent change. What am I doing wrong ?

Hi Graham-

Thanks for the follow-up to my post. I didn't mention that only because in
XP and '03 that is no longer the case. Even without the check in place these
versions update normal.dot when you click OK in the confirmation box that
appears after clicking the Default button. (I'm not sure, but I thought 2000
did the same.)

It also does not matter whether you save the currently open file. The
default font change goes into effect either way.

Best Regards :)

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

You will of course have to ensure that the changes are written to
normal.dot. Ensure tools options save prompt to save normal.dot is
checked and agree to save it when prompted on exit from Word (or SHIFT+File
Save All to force a save)

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
If you are simply changing the font formatting in a document, that is
the only one that will be affected. In order to change the default
font go to FormatFont & make the settings you wish. Then click the
Default button (lower left corner of the dialog box) and confirm Yes
to the prompt. Any new docs you create will have those specs, but any
previously created docs will not be changed.

HTH |:)

"Geoff Barrett" wrote:

I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font. I
can do it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay as a
permanent change. What am I doing wrong ?

There is no evidence of that happening here. If you change the default font,
you get a prompt to save normal.dot (which is where the change is made) when
you close Word in order to write that change to normal.dot. I certainly
wouldn't welcome Word making any changes to normal.dot without my express
permission.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
Hi Graham-

Thanks for the follow-up to my post. I didn't mention that only
because in XP and '03 that is no longer the case. Even without the
check in place these versions update normal.dot when you click OK in
the confirmation box that appears after clicking the Default button.
(I'm not sure, but I thought 2000 did the same.)

It also does not matter whether you save the currently open file. The
default font change goes into effect either way.

Best Regards :)

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

You will of course have to ensure that the changes are written to
normal.dot. Ensure tools options save prompt to save
normal.dot is checked and agree to save it when prompted on exit
from Word (or SHIFT+File
Save All to force a save)

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
If you are simply changing the font formatting in a document, that
is the only one that will be affected. In order to change the
default font go to FormatFont & make the settings you wish. Then
click the Default button (lower left corner of the dialog box) and
confirm Yes to the prompt. Any new docs you create will have those
specs, but any previously created docs will not be changed.

HTH |:)

"Geoff Barrett" wrote:

I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font.
I can do it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay
as a permanent change. What am I doing wrong ?

I believe that changes made to Normal.dot (including the default font)
persist during the Word session (which would agree with what CyberTaz
wrote). If you don't save them when you quit Word, then they are not saved
permanently. But of course, barring interference from Acrobat 7 or the like,
if you don't have "Prompt to update Normal template" enabled, then changes
will be saved tacitly.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
There is no evidence of that happening here. If you change the default
font,
you get a prompt to save normal.dot (which is where the change is made)
when
you close Word in order to write that change to normal.dot. I certainly
wouldn't welcome Word making any changes to normal.dot without my express
permission.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
Hi Graham-

Thanks for the follow-up to my post. I didn't mention that only
because in XP and '03 that is no longer the case. Even without the
check in place these versions update normal.dot when you click OK in
the confirmation box that appears after clicking the Default button.
(I'm not sure, but I thought 2000 did the same.)

It also does not matter whether you save the currently open file. The
default font change goes into effect either way.

Best Regards :)

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

You will of course have to ensure that the changes are written to
normal.dot. Ensure tools options save prompt to save
normal.dot is checked and agree to save it when prompted on exit
from Word (or SHIFT+File
Save All to force a save)

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
If you are simply changing the font formatting in a document, that
is the only one that will be affected. In order to change the
default font go to FormatFont & make the settings you wish. Then
click the Default button (lower left corner of the dialog box) and
confirm Yes to the prompt. Any new docs you create will have those
specs, but any previously created docs will not be changed.

HTH |:)

"Geoff Barrett" wrote:

I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font.
I can do it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay
as a permanent change. What am I doing wrong ?

That's my understanding also - the original questioner did ask for
'permanently'

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I believe that changes made to Normal.dot (including the default font)
persist during the Word session (which would agree with what CyberTaz
wrote). If you don't save them when you quit Word, then they are not
saved permanently. But of course, barring interference from Acrobat 7
or the like, if you don't have "Prompt to update Normal template"
enabled, then changes will be saved tacitly.


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
There is no evidence of that happening here. If you change the
default font, you get a prompt to save normal.dot (which is where
the change is made) when you close Word in order to write that
change to normal.dot. I certainly wouldn't welcome Word making any
changes to normal.dot without my express permission.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
Hi Graham-

Thanks for the follow-up to my post. I didn't mention that only
because in XP and '03 that is no longer the case. Even without the
check in place these versions update normal.dot when you click OK in
the confirmation box that appears after clicking the Default button.
(I'm not sure, but I thought 2000 did the same.)

It also does not matter whether you save the currently open file.
The default font change goes into effect either way.

Best Regards :)

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

You will of course have to ensure that the changes are written to
normal.dot. Ensure tools options save prompt to save
normal.dot is checked and agree to save it when prompted on exit
from Word (or SHIFT+File
Save All to force a save)

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org




CyberTaz wrote:
If you are simply changing the font formatting in a document, that
is the only one that will be affected. In order to change the
default font go to FormatFont & make the settings you wish. Then
click the Default button (lower left corner of the dialog box) and
confirm Yes to the prompt. Any new docs you create will have those
specs, but any previously created docs will not be changed.

HTH |:)

"Geoff Barrett" wrote:

I am trying to permanently change the size and color of the font.
I can do it for one time choice but doesn't seem to want to stay
as a permanent change. What am I doing wrong ?

Hello Graham & Suzanne-

I certainly don't want to beat a dead horse here, and my intention is not to
challenge anyone, but I would like to better understand this issue.

Before submitting my original reply I did exactly the same thing in Word '02
& '03 with the same results. (I typically test before posting).

What I did was:

With a new blank document open-

1) In ToolsOptions I made certain that there was _no_ check to prompt for
saving normal.dot,

2) I then went to FormatFont & changed to another font, clicked [Default],
& clicked Yes to the prompt to change normal.dot

3) I then Exited from Word without any prompt to save changes to normal.dot
and clicked No to saving the open document.

4) When I launched Word again (is this not a different 'session'?), the
newly specified font was set as the default. (Does this not indicate a
'permanent' change?)

5) I just did exactly the same thing here at home where I run Office 2000 in
WinXP Pro under VPC7 on my Mac, with exactly the same results.

According to my interpretation of your postings this should not be the case:

Suzanne- persist during the Word session & If you don't save them when
you quit Word, then they are not saved permanently.

Graham- There is no evidence of that happening here. & the original
questioner did ask for 'permanently'

Please help me understand why my original post was not adequate to answer
the question? What am I missing in the subsequent posts? I certainly don't
want to misinform anyone in any way.

Thanks for your indulgence |:)




On 3/26/05 10:44 AM, in article ,
"Graham Mayor" wrote:

That's my understanding also - the original questioner did ask for
'permanently'

--

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the necessity
to ensure that the changes to the default are actually saved in normal.dot.
The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked* then
normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not have this
option set, because it is a good plan to decide for yourself whether to
allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not automatically
saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition, that
would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active only for the
current session. However, it is possible to set Word to be the e-mail editor
of Outlook and closing Word does not necessaily close it completely if it is
the Outlook editor *and* has been used to edit a message from Outlook *and*
Outlook remains open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and check
the running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you would get no
prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word and the default would
still be as you had set it, because Outlook is holding normal.dot open
throughout. You would thus only get a prompt to save normal.dot if you
closed *both* Word *and* Outlook. If you then reject the option to save
normal.dot the original setting is reverted to.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org





CyberTaz wrote:
Hello Graham & Suzanne-

I certainly don't want to beat a dead horse here, and my intention is
not to challenge anyone, but I would like to better understand this
issue.

Before submitting my original reply I did exactly the same thing in
Word '02 & '03 with the same results. (I typically test before
posting).

What I did was:

With a new blank document open-

1) In ToolsOptions I made certain that there was _no_ check to
prompt for saving normal.dot,

2) I then went to FormatFont & changed to another font, clicked
[Default], & clicked Yes to the prompt to change normal.dot

3) I then Exited from Word without any prompt to save changes to
normal.dot and clicked No to saving the open document.

4) When I launched Word again (is this not a different 'session'?),
the newly specified font was set as the default. (Does this not
indicate a 'permanent' change?)

5) I just did exactly the same thing here at home where I run Office
2000 in WinXP Pro under VPC7 on my Mac, with exactly the same results.

According to my interpretation of your postings this should not be
the case:

Suzanne- persist during the Word session & If you don't save
them when you quit Word, then they are not saved permanently.

Graham- There is no evidence of that happening here. & the
original questioner did ask for 'permanently'

Please help me understand why my original post was not adequate to
answer the question? What am I missing in the subsequent posts? I
certainly don't want to misinform anyone in any way.

Thanks for your indulgence |:)




On 3/26/05 10:44 AM, in article ,
"Graham Mayor" wrote:

That's my understanding also - the original questioner did ask for
'permanently'

--

Hi Graham-

Thanks for taking the time to clarify! I appreciate your prompt and thorough
response.

I understand and agree with the point you make re exercising 'control' over
saving changes to normal.dot, especially for intermediate to advanced users.
I believe that is the 'missing link' I wasn't picking up on earlier in the
thread.

As a sidebar to the discussion: I have found that since the prompt to save
appears as the change is being made even when the option is set as you
suggest, it leads to confusion for less experienced users. They have already
said Yes to saving _that_ change, and when they Exit and are prompted again
they are afraid to say Yes for fear of saving something else by accident. It
isn't clear that the prompt pertains to their default font change. Ergo,
they say No at the final prompt and their intended change is discarded, as
you point out.

IMHO it would be helpful if there were separate prompts generated for
changes that are to be saved in normal.dot triggered by how the prompt in
the Save Options is set. If unchecked, "Changes will be saved..." & if
checked, "Changes will be in effect for session only, permanent change must
be saved on Exit...". Does this seem reasonable?

Best Regards |:)


On 3/26/05 12:20 PM, in article ,
"Graham Mayor" wrote:

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the necessity
to ensure that the changes to the default are actually saved in normal.dot.
The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked* then
normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not have this
option set, because it is a good plan to decide for yourself whether to
allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not automatically
saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition, that
would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active only for the
current session. However, it is possible to set Word to be the e-mail editor
of Outlook and closing Word does not necessaily close it completely if it is
the Outlook editor *and* has been used to edit a message from Outlook *and*
Outlook remains open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and check
the running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you would get no
prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word and the default would
still be as you had set it, because Outlook is holding normal.dot open
throughout. You would thus only get a prompt to save normal.dot if you
closed *both* Word *and* Outlook. If you then reject the option to save
normal.dot the original setting is reverted to.

--

I hadn't thought about the scenario you describe, but I think it is accurate
and agree with your suggestion. What we've actually requested for a future
version of Word that would be even more helpful would be a sort of Undo list
for the prompt to save Normal.dot, that is, a list of the changes that will
be saved if you say yes. When I leave Word running all day, I often forget
whether I've actually made changes I want to keep or not (a lot of times
I'll add a toolbar button and then remove it again while testing something
to answer a user's question--no net change, but Word doesn't treat it that
way). Not to mention the bug that makes Word keep prompting you to save
Normal.dot for days after the time changes in the fall and spring; it will
not quit until you finally give in!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"CyberTaz" wrote in message ...
Hi Graham-

Thanks for taking the time to clarify! I appreciate your prompt and
thorough
response.

I understand and agree with the point you make re exercising 'control'
over
saving changes to normal.dot, especially for intermediate to advanced
users.
I believe that is the 'missing link' I wasn't picking up on earlier in the
thread.

As a sidebar to the discussion: I have found that since the prompt to save
appears as the change is being made even when the option is set as you
suggest, it leads to confusion for less experienced users. They have
already
said Yes to saving _that_ change, and when they Exit and are prompted
again
they are afraid to say Yes for fear of saving something else by accident.
It
isn't clear that the prompt pertains to their default font change. Ergo,
they say No at the final prompt and their intended change is discarded, as
you point out.

IMHO it would be helpful if there were separate prompts generated for
changes that are to be saved in normal.dot triggered by how the prompt in
the Save Options is set. If unchecked, "Changes will be saved..." & if
checked, "Changes will be in effect for session only, permanent change
must
be saved on Exit...". Does this seem reasonable?

Best Regards |:)


On 3/26/05 12:20 PM, in article ,
"Graham Mayor" wrote:

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the
necessity
to ensure that the changes to the default are actually saved in
normal.dot.
The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked* then
normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not have this
option set, because it is a good plan to decide for yourself whether to
allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not automatically
saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition, that
would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active only for
the
current session. However, it is possible to set Word to be the e-mail
editor
of Outlook and closing Word does not necessaily close it completely if
it is
the Outlook editor *and* has been used to edit a message from Outlook
*and*
Outlook remains open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and
check
the running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you would get
no
prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word and the default
would
still be as you had set it, because Outlook is holding normal.dot open
throughout. You would thus only get a prompt to save normal.dot if you
closed *both* Word *and* Outlook. If you then reject the option to save
normal.dot the original setting is reverted to.

--

In the meantime, you might force a save of normal.dot (from SHIFT+File+Save
all or from the save button in the vba editor) when you make changes you
want to keep and when quitting Word always answer 'no' to the prompt

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org





Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I hadn't thought about the scenario you describe, but I think it is
accurate and agree with your suggestion. What we've actually
requested for a future version of Word that would be even more
helpful would be a sort of Undo list for the prompt to save
Normal.dot, that is, a list of the changes that will be saved if you
say yes. When I leave Word running all day, I often forget whether
I've actually made changes I want to keep or not (a lot of times I'll
add a toolbar button and then remove it again while testing something
to answer a user's question--no net change, but Word doesn't treat it
that way). Not to mention the bug that makes Word keep prompting you
to save Normal.dot for days after the time changes in the fall and
spring; it will not quit until you finally give in!


"CyberTaz" wrote in message
...
Hi Graham-

Thanks for taking the time to clarify! I appreciate your prompt and
thorough response.

I understand and agree with the point you make re exercising
'control' over saving changes to normal.dot, especially for
intermediate to advanced users. I believe that is the 'missing link'
I wasn't picking up on earlier in the thread.

As a sidebar to the discussion: I have found that since the prompt
to save appears as the change is being made even when the option is
set as you suggest, it leads to confusion for less experienced
users. They have already said Yes to saving _that_ change, and when
they Exit and are prompted again they are afraid to say Yes for fear
of saving something else by accident. It isn't clear that the prompt
pertains to their default font change. Ergo, they say No at the
final prompt and their intended change is discarded, as you point
out.

IMHO it would be helpful if there were separate prompts generated for
changes that are to be saved in normal.dot triggered by how the
prompt in the Save Options is set. If unchecked, "Changes will be
saved..." & if checked, "Changes will be in effect for session only,
permanent change must be saved on Exit...". Does this seem
reasonable?

Best Regards |:)


On 3/26/05 12:20 PM, in article
, "Graham Mayor" wrote:

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the
necessity to ensure that the changes to the default are actually
saved in normal.dot. The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes
are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked*
then normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not
have this option set, because it is a good plan to decide for
yourself whether to allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not
automatically saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition,
that would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active
only for the current session. However, it is possible to set Word
to be the e-mail editor of Outlook and closing Word does not
necessaily close it completely if it is the Outlook editor *and*
has been used to edit a message from Outlook *and* Outlook remains
open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and check the
running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you
would get no prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word
and the default would still be as you had set it, because Outlook
is holding normal.dot open throughout. You would thus only get a
prompt to save normal.dot if you closed *both* Word *and* Outlook.
If you then reject the option to save normal.dot the original
setting is reverted to.

--

The problem with using Save All is that I assume it saves all open
documents? Since I always keep Document1 open as a scratchpad and don't want
to save it, this would cause problems for me.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
In the meantime, you might force a save of normal.dot (from
SHIFT+File+Save
all or from the save button in the vba editor) when you make changes you
want to keep and when quitting Word always answer 'no' to the prompt

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org





Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I hadn't thought about the scenario you describe, but I think it is
accurate and agree with your suggestion. What we've actually
requested for a future version of Word that would be even more
helpful would be a sort of Undo list for the prompt to save
Normal.dot, that is, a list of the changes that will be saved if you
say yes. When I leave Word running all day, I often forget whether
I've actually made changes I want to keep or not (a lot of times I'll
add a toolbar button and then remove it again while testing something
to answer a user's question--no net change, but Word doesn't treat it
that way). Not to mention the bug that makes Word keep prompting you
to save Normal.dot for days after the time changes in the fall and
spring; it will not quit until you finally give in!


"CyberTaz" wrote in message
...
Hi Graham-

Thanks for taking the time to clarify! I appreciate your prompt and
thorough response.

I understand and agree with the point you make re exercising
'control' over saving changes to normal.dot, especially for
intermediate to advanced users. I believe that is the 'missing link'
I wasn't picking up on earlier in the thread.

As a sidebar to the discussion: I have found that since the prompt
to save appears as the change is being made even when the option is
set as you suggest, it leads to confusion for less experienced
users. They have already said Yes to saving _that_ change, and when
they Exit and are prompted again they are afraid to say Yes for fear
of saving something else by accident. It isn't clear that the prompt
pertains to their default font change. Ergo, they say No at the
final prompt and their intended change is discarded, as you point
out.

IMHO it would be helpful if there were separate prompts generated for
changes that are to be saved in normal.dot triggered by how the
prompt in the Save Options is set. If unchecked, "Changes will be
saved..." & if checked, "Changes will be in effect for session only,
permanent change must be saved on Exit...". Does this seem
reasonable?

Best Regards |:)


On 3/26/05 12:20 PM, in article
, "Graham Mayor" wrote:

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the
necessity to ensure that the changes to the default are actually
saved in normal.dot. The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes
are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked*
then normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not
have this option set, because it is a good plan to decide for
yourself whether to allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not
automatically saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition,
that would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active
only for the current session. However, it is possible to set Word
to be the e-mail editor of Outlook and closing Word does not
necessaily close it completely if it is the Outlook editor *and*
has been used to edit a message from Outlook *and* Outlook remains
open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and check the
running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you
would get no prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word
and the default would still be as you had set it, because Outlook
is holding normal.dot open throughout. You would thus only get a
prompt to save normal.dot if you closed *both* Word *and* Outlook.
If you then reject the option to save normal.dot the original
setting is reverted to.

--

Back to the drawing board


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The problem with using Save All is that I assume it saves all open
documents? Since I always keep Document1 open as a scratchpad and
don't want to save it, this would cause problems for me.


"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
In the meantime, you might force a save of normal.dot (from
SHIFT+File+Save all or from the save button in the vba editor) when
you make changes you want to keep and when quitting Word always
answer 'no' to the prompt

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Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org





Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I hadn't thought about the scenario you describe, but I think it is
accurate and agree with your suggestion. What we've actually
requested for a future version of Word that would be even more
helpful would be a sort of Undo list for the prompt to save
Normal.dot, that is, a list of the changes that will be saved if you
say yes. When I leave Word running all day, I often forget whether
I've actually made changes I want to keep or not (a lot of times
I'll add a toolbar button and then remove it again while testing
something to answer a user's question--no net change, but Word
doesn't treat it that way). Not to mention the bug that makes Word
keep prompting you to save Normal.dot for days after the time
changes in the fall and spring; it will not quit until you finally
give in!


"CyberTaz" wrote in message
...
Hi Graham-

Thanks for taking the time to clarify! I appreciate your prompt and
thorough response.

I understand and agree with the point you make re exercising
'control' over saving changes to normal.dot, especially for
intermediate to advanced users. I believe that is the 'missing
link' I wasn't picking up on earlier in the thread.

As a sidebar to the discussion: I have found that since the prompt
to save appears as the change is being made even when the option is
set as you suggest, it leads to confusion for less experienced
users. They have already said Yes to saving _that_ change, and when
they Exit and are prompted again they are afraid to say Yes for
fear of saving something else by accident. It isn't clear that the
prompt pertains to their default font change. Ergo, they say No at
the final prompt and their intended change is discarded, as you
point out.

IMHO it would be helpful if there were separate prompts generated
for changes that are to be saved in normal.dot triggered by how the
prompt in the Save Options is set. If unchecked, "Changes will be
saved..." & if checked, "Changes will be in effect for session
only, permanent change must be saved on Exit...". Does this seem
reasonable?

Best Regards |:)


On 3/26/05 12:20 PM, in article
, "Graham Mayor" wrote:

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the
necessity to ensure that the changes to the default are actually
saved in normal.dot. The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes
are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked*
then normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not
have this option set, because it is a good plan to decide for
yourself whether to allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not
automatically saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition,
that would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active
only for the current session. However, it is possible to set Word
to be the e-mail editor of Outlook and closing Word does not
necessaily close it completely if it is the Outlook editor *and*
has been used to edit a message from Outlook *and* Outlook remains
open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and check the
running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you
would get no prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word
and the default would still be as you had set it, because Outlook
is holding normal.dot open throughout. You would thus only get a
prompt to save normal.dot if you closed *both* Word *and* Outlook.
If you then reject the option to save normal.dot the original
setting is reverted to.

--

Just hit ESC to cancel when the Save As dialog pops up. Everything else
still saves. (I replaced my Save icon with Save All long ago, so often get
this).

DM


On 3/27/05 6:39 AM, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

The problem with using Save All is that I assume it saves all open
documents? Since I always keep Document1 open as a scratchpad and don't want
to save it, this would cause problems for me.

Thanks, Daiya. I had wondered if I could do this but hadn't gotten around to
trying it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message
.. .
Just hit ESC to cancel when the Save As dialog pops up. Everything else
still saves. (I replaced my Save icon with Save All long ago, so often
get
this).

DM


On 3/27/05 6:39 AM, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

The problem with using Save All is that I assume it saves all open
documents? Since I always keep Document1 open as a scratchpad and don't
want
to save it, this would cause problems for me.

Hi Suzanne-

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

The list idea (maybe as checkboxes) is great, although I can understand
where there may be some coding issues. But even if one _did not_ have to say
Yes a 2nd time to saving a change they had *already* said Yes to saving
(perhaps hours before), it would be helpful.

Best Regards |:)

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I hadn't thought about the scenario you describe, but I think it is accurate
and agree with your suggestion. What we've actually requested for a future
version of Word that would be even more helpful would be a sort of Undo list
for the prompt to save Normal.dot, that is, a list of the changes that will
be saved if you say yes. When I leave Word running all day, I often forget
whether I've actually made changes I want to keep or not (a lot of times
I'll add a toolbar button and then remove it again while testing something
to answer a user's question--no net change, but Word doesn't treat it that
way). Not to mention the bug that makes Word keep prompting you to save
Normal.dot for days after the time changes in the fall and spring; it will
not quit until you finally give in!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"CyberTaz" wrote in message ...
Hi Graham-

Thanks for taking the time to clarify! I appreciate your prompt and
thorough
response.

I understand and agree with the point you make re exercising 'control'
over
saving changes to normal.dot, especially for intermediate to advanced
users.
I believe that is the 'missing link' I wasn't picking up on earlier in the
thread.

As a sidebar to the discussion: I have found that since the prompt to save
appears as the change is being made even when the option is set as you
suggest, it leads to confusion for less experienced users. They have
already
said Yes to saving _that_ change, and when they Exit and are prompted
again
they are afraid to say Yes for fear of saving something else by accident.
It
isn't clear that the prompt pertains to their default font change. Ergo,
they say No at the final prompt and their intended change is discarded, as
you point out.

IMHO it would be helpful if there were separate prompts generated for
changes that are to be saved in normal.dot triggered by how the prompt in
the Save Options is set. If unchecked, "Changes will be saved..." & if
checked, "Changes will be in effect for session only, permanent change
must
be saved on Exit...". Does this seem reasonable?

Best Regards |:)


On 3/26/05 12:20 PM, in article ,
"Graham Mayor" wrote:

Now we are all getting confused

There was nothing wrong with your original response, but for the
necessity
to ensure that the changes to the default are actually saved in
normal.dot.
The circumstances whereby normal.dot changes are saved are twofold:

1. If tools options prompt to save normal.dot is *unchecked* then
normal.dot is saved automatically on exit. Most people do not have this
option set, because it is a good plan to decide for yourself whether to
allow such changes.
2. If the above option is *checked* then changes are not automatically
saved, but may be saved at the prompt to save.

I know of no other circumstances, not caused by a fault condition, that
would cause changes to normal.dot to be saved automatically.

If the changes are not saved to normal.dot then they are active only for
the
current session. However, it is possible to set Word to be the e-mail
editor
of Outlook and closing Word does not necessaily close it completely if
it is
the Outlook editor *and* has been used to edit a message from Outlook
*and*
Outlook remains open. You can see this if you press CTRL+ALT+DEL and
check
the running processes, for winword.exe would still be list.

Under such circumstances you could close Word directly and you would get
no
prompt to save normal.dot and you could re-open Word and the default
would
still be as you had set it, because Outlook is holding normal.dot open
throughout. You would thus only get a prompt to save normal.dot if you
closed *both* Word *and* Outlook. If you then reject the option to save
normal.dot the original setting is reverted to.

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