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Hi Kerry:
The simplest thing I can suggest is "convert your fractions to decimals". Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. I hope I am wrong: I have cross-posted this message to the group that specialises in Data Merge, so check back on Monday to see if anyone knows how to do this. Data Merge is a specialist area! And we need to be aware that the advanced VBA functions they have on the PC to deal with these sorts of things are not available in Mac Word. (It's Word 97-level VBA, guys...) So, somehow you have to represent your data in a form that can be described in plain text. What you "could" do is add two columns in Excel that expresses the fractions numerator and denominator as plain text: so you would find 11 | 16 or 24 | 32 in those two columns. That *will* come across. But once you get the data into Word, you would then have the problem of converting the text data back into formatted fractions. Since Word doesn't HAVE formatted fractions, this involves an Equation field. Look up the Help for the EQ field. For example, { EQ \f(11,16) } will display: 11 ___ 16 So if you had {EQ \f({ MERGEFIELD numerator },{MERGEFIELD denominator } } in your main document, it might work. You would have to format the font to be small enough so that it would not look silly (start with half the point size of the surrounding text). I am sorry, I cannot remember whether the Data Merge operation passes field codes from the Main Document to the Output Document. I suspect it doesn't. If that is the case, you need to bring the EQ field into the output document as text. In other words, "type" the OUTER set of curly braces in the Main document. Then complete your merge and run a macro to convert the typed EQ fields into "real" EQ fields. This is, barely, possible. But it's weeks of programming unless you know AppleScript *really* well. If you are interested in this approach, get back to us here. If I hunt around, I think I have a VBA example that creates fields from plain text. But be warned, this is *not* a simple operation. At least, it wasn't for me :-) Sorry! On 18/3/06 9:57 PM, in article , "Kerry O'Shannessy" wrote: Using Excel as Data source, when I merge data to word, I loose my formatted fractions. No explicit Field switches that I can see for setting fractions. Program has been working fine on a PC. Have been using Office 95 but after researching Macintosh, decided to upgrade in this direction. And Yes, no Fractions is a problem. There must be a way, can somebody help. Mike -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring
formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. As far as I can tell (Ii'm not a regular Mac Word user) this is correct, at least in Mac Office 2004 on MacOSX. In Word 95 using the default connection method (DDE) the characters seen in the Excel sheet would have come across, i.e. if you entered 1/2, you would see 1/2. If you are able to add formatting in Excel to make 1/2 look like 1 _ 2 that won't come across in any version of Word as far as I know - In that case, you could try a. copying/pasting the Excel data into Word (this probably won't work if you have more than 63 or 64 columns) b. using that Word document as the data source c. if your fraction column is called "fraction", use { REF fraction } instead of { MERGEFIELD fraction } in the mail merge main document. This is an undocumented feature so it would be unwise to rely too much on it, but it does appear to work in Mac Word as well as the Windows version. If you just need 1/2, 1/3 etc. you can either a. use two columns as John suggests and use { MERGEFIELD numerator }/{MERGEFIELD denominator } in your mail merge main document or b. format the column as text in Excel - if you try to format the existing column, Excel will just convert the fractions, but if you re-enter the values, they should "stick". You may also be able to use a formula to reference the fraction data from a column formatted as text. John's suggestion for formatting using an EQ field should work because the EQ field /is/ preserved in the output, at least if you merge to a new document. When using EQ fields it is worth bearing two things in mind: a. EQ was "deprecated" a long time ago. It may have been reprieved since, but if for example you double-click on an EQ field, Word will convert it into an Equation Editor field or the Mac equivalent, and this will change the formatting b. unlike most other field types, white space inside the closing brace of an EQ field is significant, and will result in white space in your output. If you do end up typing in separate numerators/denominators or fractions in cells formatted as text, bear in mind that Excel will allow 2/4, whereas in a field formatted as a fraction, it will convert that to 1/2. Peter Jamieson "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Kerry: The simplest thing I can suggest is "convert your fractions to decimals". Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. I hope I am wrong: I have cross-posted this message to the group that specialises in Data Merge, so check back on Monday to see if anyone knows how to do this. Data Merge is a specialist area! And we need to be aware that the advanced VBA functions they have on the PC to deal with these sorts of things are not available in Mac Word. (It's Word 97-level VBA, guys...) So, somehow you have to represent your data in a form that can be described in plain text. What you "could" do is add two columns in Excel that expresses the fractions numerator and denominator as plain text: so you would find 11 | 16 or 24 | 32 in those two columns. That *will* come across. But once you get the data into Word, you would then have the problem of converting the text data back into formatted fractions. Since Word doesn't HAVE formatted fractions, this involves an Equation field. Look up the Help for the EQ field. For example, { EQ \f(11,16) } will display: 11 ___ 16 So if you had {EQ \f({ MERGEFIELD numerator },{MERGEFIELD denominator } } in your main document, it might work. You would have to format the font to be small enough so that it would not look silly (start with half the point size of the surrounding text). I am sorry, I cannot remember whether the Data Merge operation passes field codes from the Main Document to the Output Document. I suspect it doesn't. If that is the case, you need to bring the EQ field into the output document as text. In other words, "type" the OUTER set of curly braces in the Main document. Then complete your merge and run a macro to convert the typed EQ fields into "real" EQ fields. This is, barely, possible. But it's weeks of programming unless you know AppleScript *really* well. If you are interested in this approach, get back to us here. If I hunt around, I think I have a VBA example that creates fields from plain text. But be warned, this is *not* a simple operation. At least, it wasn't for me :-) Sorry! On 18/3/06 9:57 PM, in article , "Kerry O'Shannessy" wrote: Using Excel as Data source, when I merge data to word, I loose my formatted fractions. No explicit Field switches that I can see for setting fractions. Program has been working fine on a PC. Have been using Office 95 but after researching Macintosh, decided to upgrade in this direction. And Yes, no Fractions is a problem. There must be a way, can somebody help. Mike -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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I suspect that none of this is necessary.
Instead, make your fractions in Excel using the Character Palette. If you're not familiar with this, go to System Preferences/International/Input Menu and enable (check) the Character Palette, in Tiger. In Panther, there's a simple checkbox "Character Palette". In both cases check "Show Input menu in menu bar" at the bottom. (In Jaguar this was called the Keyboard Menu). Now you'll see a flag in the main menu bar representing your active language. In that menu is "Show Character Palette". It appears floating over every app. In Word, go to the Character Palette. In Tiger, make sure it's set to Unicode. View Code Tables. (In Panther that's how it's set by default.) You'll find ΒΌ, Β½, ΒΎ (1/4, 1/2, 3/4) in Latin-1 Supplement at 00BC, 00BD, 00BE. (I've included the versions with "/" here because when those of you in Windows reply the real fractions may get changed if your newsreader doesn't honor the ISO-8859-1 character format and insists on sending as us-ascii.) There are a few more built-in fractions in Number Forms, 2153-215E . But the best way to do any fraction is to use the (combining) FRACTION SLASH, Unicode 2044, along with superscripts and subscripts: ΒΉ , ΅, Ά· (1/3, 5/6). These look much better in Excel and Word than they do (here) in Entourage plain text . YMMV for email and news, particularly if your newsreader can't do Unicode. Superscript 1, 2, 3 are in Latin-1 Supplement 00B0-00B9, the rest in Superscripts and Subscripts 2070-2089. -- Paul Berkowitz MVP MacOffice Entourage FAQ Page: http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html AppleScripts for Entourage: http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/ Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be ignored. PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using - **2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. From: Peter Jamieson Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word,microsoft.public. word.mailmerge.fields Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:50:17 -0000 Subject: Format Fractions in Mail Merge. Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. As far as I can tell (Ii'm not a regular Mac Word user) this is correct, at least in Mac Office 2004 on MacOSX. In Word 95 using the default connection method (DDE) the characters seen in the Excel sheet would have come across, i.e. if you entered 1/2, you would see 1/2. If you are able to add formatting in Excel to make 1/2 look like 1 _ 2 that won't come across in any version of Word as far as I know - In that case, you could try a. copying/pasting the Excel data into Word (this probably won't work if you have more than 63 or 64 columns) b. using that Word document as the data source c. if your fraction column is called "fraction", use { REF fraction } instead of { MERGEFIELD fraction } in the mail merge main document. This is an undocumented feature so it would be unwise to rely too much on it, but it does appear to work in Mac Word as well as the Windows version. If you just need 1/2, 1/3 etc. you can either a. use two columns as John suggests and use { MERGEFIELD numerator }/{MERGEFIELD denominator } in your mail merge main document or b. format the column as text in Excel - if you try to format the existing column, Excel will just convert the fractions, but if you re-enter the values, they should "stick". You may also be able to use a formula to reference the fraction data from a column formatted as text. John's suggestion for formatting using an EQ field should work because the EQ field /is/ preserved in the output, at least if you merge to a new document. When using EQ fields it is worth bearing two things in mind: a. EQ was "deprecated" a long time ago. It may have been reprieved since, but if for example you double-click on an EQ field, Word will convert it into an Equation Editor field or the Mac equivalent, and this will change the formatting b. unlike most other field types, white space inside the closing brace of an EQ field is significant, and will result in white space in your output. If you do end up typing in separate numerators/denominators or fractions in cells formatted as text, bear in mind that Excel will allow 2/4, whereas in a field formatted as a fraction, it will convert that to 1/2. Peter Jamieson "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Kerry: The simplest thing I can suggest is "convert your fractions to decimals". Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. I hope I am wrong: I have cross-posted this message to the group that specialises in Data Merge, so check back on Monday to see if anyone knows how to do this. Data Merge is a specialist area! And we need to be aware that the advanced VBA functions they have on the PC to deal with these sorts of things are not available in Mac Word. (It's Word 97-level VBA, guys...) So, somehow you have to represent your data in a form that can be described in plain text. What you "could" do is add two columns in Excel that expresses the fractions numerator and denominator as plain text: so you would find 11 | 16 or 24 | 32 in those two columns. That *will* come across. But once you get the data into Word, you would then have the problem of converting the text data back into formatted fractions. Since Word doesn't HAVE formatted fractions, this involves an Equation field. Look up the Help for the EQ field. For example, { EQ \f(11,16) } will display: 11 ___ 16 So if you had {EQ \f({ MERGEFIELD numerator },{MERGEFIELD denominator } } in your main document, it might work. You would have to format the font to be small enough so that it would not look silly (start with half the point size of the surrounding text). I am sorry, I cannot remember whether the Data Merge operation passes field codes from the Main Document to the Output Document. I suspect it doesn't. If that is the case, you need to bring the EQ field into the output document as text. In other words, "type" the OUTER set of curly braces in the Main document. Then complete your merge and run a macro to convert the typed EQ fields into "real" EQ fields. This is, barely, possible. But it's weeks of programming unless you know AppleScript *really* well. If you are interested in this approach, get back to us here. If I hunt around, I think I have a VBA example that creates fields from plain text. But be warned, this is *not* a simple operation. At least, it wasn't for me :-) Sorry! On 18/3/06 9:57 PM, in article , "Kerry O'Shannessy" wrote: Using Excel as Data source, when I merge data to word, I loose my formatted fractions. No explicit Field switches that I can see for setting fractions. Program has been working fine on a PC. Have been using Office 95 but after researching Macintosh, decided to upgrade in this direction. And Yes, no Fractions is a problem. There must be a way, can somebody help. Mike -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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Here, I wasn't able to get even the stock fractions such as 1/2 across from
Excel when it is being used as a data merge source (it looks as if Mac Word/Excel suffers from a similar problem with character encoding as Windows Word/Excel prior to OLEDB connections) but a. maybe it's a question of choosing the correct fonts or some other Mac Word/Excel/Office option of which I'm unaware b. the approach where you copy/paste the Excel sheet into Word then use that as the data source will probably work (Sorry, I don't have time to check as I'm away for a while). Peter Jamieson "Paul Berkowitz" wrote in message ... I suspect that none of this is necessary. Instead, make your fractions in Excel using the Character Palette. If you're not familiar with this, go to System Preferences/International/Input Menu and enable (check) the Character Palette, in Tiger. In Panther, there's a simple checkbox "Character Palette". In both cases check "Show Input menu in menu bar" at the bottom. (In Jaguar this was called the Keyboard Menu). Now you'll see a flag in the main menu bar representing your active language. In that menu is "Show Character Palette". It appears floating over every app. In Word, go to the Character Palette. In Tiger, make sure it's set to Unicode. View Code Tables. (In Panther that's how it's set by default.) You'll find Ό, ½, Ύ (1/4, 1/2, 3/4) in Latin-1 Supplement at 00BC, 00BD, 00BE. (I've included the versions with "/" here because when those of you in Windows reply the real fractions may get changed if your newsreader doesn't honor the ISO-8859-1 character format and insists on sending as us-ascii.) There are a few more built-in fractions in Number Forms, 2153-215E . But the best way to do any fraction is to use the (combining) FRACTION SLASH, Unicode 2044, along with superscripts and subscripts: Ή?? , ???, ?????? (1/3, 5/6). These look much better in Excel and Word than they do (here) in Entourage plain text . YMMV for email and news, particularly if your newsreader can't do Unicode. Superscript 1, 2, 3 are in Latin-1 Supplement 00B0-00B9, the rest in Superscripts and Subscripts 2070-2089. -- Paul Berkowitz MVP MacOffice Entourage FAQ Page: http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html AppleScripts for Entourage: http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/ Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be ignored. PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using - **2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. From: Peter Jamieson Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word,microsoft.public. word.mailmerge.fields Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:50:17 -0000 Subject: Format Fractions in Mail Merge. Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. As far as I can tell (Ii'm not a regular Mac Word user) this is correct, at least in Mac Office 2004 on MacOSX. In Word 95 using the default connection method (DDE) the characters seen in the Excel sheet would have come across, i.e. if you entered 1/2, you would see 1/2. If you are able to add formatting in Excel to make 1/2 look like 1 _ 2 that won't come across in any version of Word as far as I know - In that case, you could try a. copying/pasting the Excel data into Word (this probably won't work if you have more than 63 or 64 columns) b. using that Word document as the data source c. if your fraction column is called "fraction", use { REF fraction } instead of { MERGEFIELD fraction } in the mail merge main document. This is an undocumented feature so it would be unwise to rely too much on it, but it does appear to work in Mac Word as well as the Windows version. If you just need 1/2, 1/3 etc. you can either a. use two columns as John suggests and use { MERGEFIELD numerator }/{MERGEFIELD denominator } in your mail merge main document or b. format the column as text in Excel - if you try to format the existing column, Excel will just convert the fractions, but if you re-enter the values, they should "stick". You may also be able to use a formula to reference the fraction data from a column formatted as text. John's suggestion for formatting using an EQ field should work because the EQ field /is/ preserved in the output, at least if you merge to a new document. When using EQ fields it is worth bearing two things in mind: a. EQ was "deprecated" a long time ago. It may have been reprieved since, but if for example you double-click on an EQ field, Word will convert it into an Equation Editor field or the Mac equivalent, and this will change the formatting b. unlike most other field types, white space inside the closing brace of an EQ field is significant, and will result in white space in your output. If you do end up typing in separate numerators/denominators or fractions in cells formatted as text, bear in mind that Excel will allow 2/4, whereas in a field formatted as a fraction, it will convert that to 1/2. Peter Jamieson "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote in message ... Hi Kerry: The simplest thing I can suggest is "convert your fractions to decimals". Let me preface that by saying that I have never attempted to bring formatted fractions from Excel to Word in Data Merge. However, my understanding of the problem is that Data Merge sends data from source to destination as plain text. Formatting is stripped, and Word does not have a "fractions" numeric picture switch like Excel does, so there is no way to get them from Excel to Word. I hope I am wrong: I have cross-posted this message to the group that specialises in Data Merge, so check back on Monday to see if anyone knows how to do this. Data Merge is a specialist area! And we need to be aware that the advanced VBA functions they have on the PC to deal with these sorts of things are not available in Mac Word. (It's Word 97-level VBA, guys...) So, somehow you have to represent your data in a form that can be described in plain text. What you "could" do is add two columns in Excel that expresses the fractions numerator and denominator as plain text: so you would find 11 | 16 or 24 | 32 in those two columns. That *will* come across. But once you get the data into Word, you would then have the problem of converting the text data back into formatted fractions. Since Word doesn't HAVE formatted fractions, this involves an Equation field. Look up the Help for the EQ field. For example, { EQ \f(11,16) } will display: 11 ___ 16 So if you had {EQ \f({ MERGEFIELD numerator },{MERGEFIELD denominator } } in your main document, it might work. You would have to format the font to be small enough so that it would not look silly (start with half the point size of the surrounding text). I am sorry, I cannot remember whether the Data Merge operation passes field codes from the Main Document to the Output Document. I suspect it doesn't. If that is the case, you need to bring the EQ field into the output document as text. In other words, "type" the OUTER set of curly braces in the Main document. Then complete your merge and run a macro to convert the typed EQ fields into "real" EQ fields. This is, barely, possible. But it's weeks of programming unless you know AppleScript *really* well. If you are interested in this approach, get back to us here. If I hunt around, I think I have a VBA example that creates fields from plain text. But be warned, this is *not* a simple operation. At least, it wasn't for me :-) Sorry! On 18/3/06 9:57 PM, in article , "Kerry O'Shannessy" wrote: Using Excel as Data source, when I merge data to word, I loose my formatted fractions. No explicit Field switches that I can see for setting fractions. Program has been working fine on a PC. Have been using Office 95 but after researching Macintosh, decided to upgrade in this direction. And Yes, no Fractions is a problem. There must be a way, can somebody help. Mike -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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Hi Paul:
In the poster's case, I believe the problem is that the characters are "not there" to be brought across. In Excel, FormatCellFractions produces a "generated display" of integers and fractions. The underlying "value" is still a decimal fraction. I *was* rather hoping that J.E. Would pay us a visit with an algorithm to convert decimals to fractions. Ah hah! Here it is: you have to load the Analysis Toolpack, which is an optional install so you may have to install it from your Office CD. The DOLLARFR function converts decimal values to fractional representations. The syntax for DOLLARFR is: =DOLLARFR(value,fraction) where value is the value to convert to decimal, and fraction is the fractional base. So, assuming the value is in cell D2, the Integer is =IF(D20, TRUNC(DOLLARFR(D2,16)),0) and if the Integer is in E2 the Numerator is =IF(D20, (DOLLARFR(D2,16)-E2),0). The IF statement is needed only if there's a chance the value could be zero or less: the DOLLARFR function will blow up if it does. Stocks, of course, can't go negative (fortunately...) Simple.... It's OK John, we don't need you now, got it thanks... :-) DOLLARFR requires you to "know" what the Denominator is. Assuming it's stock prices we're talking about here, you do know this: stocks used to trade in either quarters, eighths, 16ths or 32nds, and you had to "know" which unit each one used. The NYSE went all-decimal on Jan 29, 2001, so we won't have to do this for much longer :-) But Paul's right: if the poster wants to go to the trouble of constructing the fractions manually, the fraction slash would work too. Regrettably, the superscript/subscript will not come across, that will have to be applied in the Word Main Document. Data Merge brings across string data, but no formatting. I "hope" it's a Unicode string, but I have not confirmed that. It may be ANSI, and if it is, the fraction slash won't come across either. But using the formula above, you get the integer and the fraction in separate cells. You can bring them into the merge independently, and include the Fraction Slash character and the Super/Sub formatting in the Main Document. Cheers On 19/3/06 3:24 PM, in article , "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: I suspect that none of this is necessary. Instead, make your fractions in Excel using the Character Palette. If you're not familiar with this, go to System Preferences/International/Input Menu and enable (check) the Character Palette, in Tiger. In Panther, there's a simple checkbox "Character Palette". In both cases check "Show Input menu in menu bar" at the bottom. (In Jaguar this was called the Keyboard Menu). Now you'll see a flag in the main menu bar representing your active language. In that menu is "Show Character Palette". It appears floating over every app. In Word, go to the Character Palette. In Tiger, make sure it's set to Unicode. View Code Tables. (In Panther that's how it's set by default.) You'll find ΒΌ, Β½, ΒΎ (1/4, 1/2, 3/4) in Latin-1 Supplement at 00BC, 00BD, 00BE. (I've included the versions with "/" here because when those of you in Windows reply the real fractions may get changed if your newsreader doesn't honor the ISO-8859-1 character format and insists on sending as us-ascii.) There are a few more built-in fractions in Number Forms, 2153-215E . But the best way to do any fraction is to use the (combining) FRACTION SLASH, Unicode 2044, along with superscripts and subscripts: ΒΉ , ΅, Ά· (1/3, 5/6). These look much better in Excel and Word than they do (here) in Entourage plain text . YMMV for email and news, particularly if your newsreader can't do Unicode. Superscript 1, 2, 3 are in Latin-1 Supplement 00B0-00B9, the rest in Superscripts and Subscripts 2070-2089. -- Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email me unless I ask you to. John McGhie Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 |
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